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Not clear from the information but if this is a dry cleaning operation which is causing the fumes then I would think this could be serious, and an urgent issue for Environmental Health. Hope Phil has no long term health issues from this. Pete.
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Mystery Wagons 1949
purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Caption as attached to the photo : Photo of a Porthywaen Lime Co 10 ton wagon parked in a siding at Porthywaen, date unknown. Many of the early wagons had wooden underframes, some with dumb-buffers, whilst later wagons had steel channel underframes. An interesting relic to be seen at Porthywaen until the early 1960's was a dumb-buffered open wagon with a "primitive roof". The foreman at the works stated in 1952 that it was used for the storage of salt and had been standing in the same place for 50 years. Assume it went for scrap in the 60's - what a pity it wasn't saved ! Pete. -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Another interesting photo from the Oswestry Borderland website showing a Porthywaen Lime Co wagon amongst others, including a coke wagon, at the sidings in Porthywaen. Not conclusive at all but I wonder if this also points to the coke wagons being redeployed for stone ? Not sure, however I wonder if coke was used to fire the Hoffmann kiln at Llanymynech ? Pete. -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Ah yes of course, I missed that. TBH I still think it's in the Llanymynech area as this loco was shedded at Oswestry, never, as far as I know, Croes Newydd (Wrexham) which would have served the Minera location. However I may be completely wrong ! https://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2014/08/croes-newydd-1938-1967.html https://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2014/08/oswestry-1938-1964.html Excellent website (link above) to shed allocations -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Oddly I have just found this photo on the 'Disused Stations' website which has, what appears to be, the same photo in reverse ! It is captioned 'Lime Train leaving Minera' which is near Wrexham. Confused now ! Pete. -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Further view of the 'kiln corner' with a couple of old mineral wagons for visual effect. As you can see the track is a bit of a way off completion and scenery is just loosely placed at the moment. Cheers, Pete. -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Fair point Jason, and photos don't always reproduce very well when scanned or copied to web pages, so good chance it's by HCC. I'll see if I can find a copy of the book - probably a long shot though. Cheers, Pete. -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Thanks Jonathan, interesting information. The loco was a regular in the area in the 40's until withdrawn from Oswestry shed, I think, in the early 1950's. I wonder if, as suggested, the photo is by H C Casserley ? It looks a bit 'amateurish' though for a professional photographer. The coke wagons are interesting. I wonder if they were actually carrying coke for the kilns, or related lime industry, or they had been requisitioned for stone traffic. Pete. -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Early days - disused scratch built lime kiln (based on Nantmawr) just placed in position at the moment to fill a corner. -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Ah yes - that looks more like it although the photo only shows a single track. However given the much later date (assume the map is much earlier) then this is possible. Complex and confusing arrangement of track work ! Hard to say which is tramway and which is std gauge ! Cheers, Pete -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
The original photo specifies 'Whitehaven' (probably Pear Tree) quarry, and I think I have identified the location. On the screen shot attached (copyright 'old-maps') I believe the bridge carries the tramway over the line. The layout is in the early stages, and will only be a shelf layout, but I have turnouts built and plain track on the go. It will be more of a finescale representation of the area rather than a specific location as I don't have the space to do this. Will post some pics in a month or two. I live in the Clwydian Range so not too far away, although little to see now other than a short restored section at Nantmawr. -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Interestingly the photo caption, which I now have from the link sent by petethemole, specifies a stone train ! Screen shot as here. Could well be a mistake of course as it must have been awkward unloading stone from coke wagons ! I think the older traditional kilns had ceased operations in the 1920's / 30's however I may be wrong. Not sure if the more modern types were coke fired ? Given access problems to the area from the former Cambrian and Potts lines it seems unlikely that large quantities of coke would have been brought in by rail. -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Ah thanks for that, and it does seem to confirm quarry stone, rather than coke, was the load. Pete. -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Agreed and it's obvious now ! Guess these were re-deployed then for carrying quarry stone, unless there was a demand for coke (or coal) at the quarries ? Thanks Pete. -
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purplepiepete replied to purplepiepete's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
Yes I hadn't thought of that - just post war there would have been a shortage of wagons resulting in re-deployments. Thanks, Pete.