Penlan

Vertical 🙂 Thank you.

Is the vac cylinder vertical or horizontal? Please.

Lovely, Thank you, as I'm LNWR in South Wales, those Tatlow books I don't have - Only his Pictorial Record of LNER Wagons.

Corrected in OP. And thank you clasp brakes. 🙂

Ooops, just been called out on an emergency, so if any further replies come along in the next hour or 4, I'm not ignoring them, I'm out working.

Thank you, if fitted with vacuum brakes, wouldn't they be the clasp type, or has this been missed off the model? ,

In the September edition of Railway Modeller, BRM one of the layouts featured is 'Queen Street Yard' by Gerald Maher. In a couple of views, there is this rather attractive (aka different) liveried GE Van and in one caption it states the van is painted dark grey on the ends and the sides as seen in these photos. It also mentions that these are 10 ton vans fitted for express work (a similar 4mm kit was available many years ago). The partial van photo shows the brakes are not the clasp type. So my question is "Are these the standard GE 10 ton Vans just fitted with a through pipe". Further prototype details would be welcome - such as when built and extent of the term 'Fitted'. Thank you.

Yes, I hadn't realised how useful this element was until about a year ago. Also available in PaintShopPro.

A few years ago I saw a photo of two A4's double heading a southbound passenger train on an embankment during the 1953 East Coast Floods, I was on that train returning from Scotland to London, all I recall is we arrived in Kings Cross some 6 - 8 hours late. I wish to include that photo in a family presentation I'm putting together for my 80th Birthday. Any help, either a pointer to the photo's location or a copy appended to this topic would be welcome. Thankyou.

Described as 20" in the Wagon Stock listings.....

Yes 🙂 and y e s ! ! !

Isn't this typical, I've made a 'cross my heart, hope ..... ' promise to my wife not to buy (or even accept) anymore more kits, and then the market explodes with very suitable kits, after all these years............

Pages 46 - 48 of Vol 3 - LNWR Wagons.

I've never been sure about this photo, I'm wondering if it's been vertically squashed, because the height to length ratio's look wrong and the signal arms are rather slender. But here's an example of an 'open' Cattle wagon. .

The 4mm scale kit for the D20 was available at ExPoEM at Bracknell earlier in May, sold out quickly, and a re-run has been done, I had two of the latter kits. airanimal's 7mm models (or are they bigger?) are very nice, he's even managed to get the right number of vertical bars in too - something I couldn't do in 4mm scale.

Are you implying there were no horizontal planks in the ends at all, just corner posts and probably a couple of stanchions with vertical or horizontal rails keeping the cattle in, otherwise it's just a sort of mineral wagon with raised posts all round, give or take. I have just used some 4mm scale laser cut grills ( https://www.scalemodelscenery.co.uk/lx286-oo-assorted-grilles---oo4mm176-8692-p.asp) from thin 0.5mm - 1mm? MDF, for part of the sides of a 4mm Cattle wagon, which meets my needs.

There were a number of photo's of Hartwell on a earlier rendition of RMweb, though lost long ago in the upgrades. Hartwell was sold to me after the Wigan Show in 2003 (I think) and brought back down to west Cornwall, where I did some minor alterations to the layout, including moving the signal box and Goods shed, realigning some of the track, doubling the track over the viaduct etc., plus making the three centre boards wider by 6" and adding a further 3' scenic section to one end. It was exhibited at major shows as Penlan until 2014, the last show being at Cardiff. The layout is now a roundy-roundy in my 'attic' room. The main tracks through he platforms etc., have been in place for 33 - 34 years. I have a collection of photo's of the layout, in both phases, as Hartwell and Penlan. here's a couple of comparison photo's.. Hartwell, then Penlan - The Penlan signal box is now out of sight on the other side of the tracks in the bottom RH corner, which gave the signalman a much better view in either direction.

I have a number of wagons ( around 20) on Penlan that are fictitious, and I have tried to make the liveries look typical of the period (circa 1910), but nearly all of them have names of current and departed friends, or as mentioned above in another reply, a known (coal etc) merchant at a given location. As I have circa 200 wagons with known liveries, I feel they have met the standards of replicating real wagons. Typically fictitious, this one, a tribute to John Degg and Bill Wood who built 'Hartwell', the origins of Penlan.

Another photo, from 'Groby and it's Railways' by D.A.Ramsey, TEE Publishing. My copy is from 1982. I was born in Groby, 1943.

There are a number of things in modelling that annoy me, one is when I look at a line of telegraph poles on a layout - and lets NOT get into spacing, please - is that if there were actual wires between the poles, they would be chopped off by somersault signals, go through roofs (even buildings), through the middle of trees etc., etc., it doesn't take much to check the alignment of the poles and the location of the where the wires would run.

Presumably that will have a LNWR registration plate 😇

I used wooden skewers for poles, with 1mm square brass arms, drilled with a hole to take a soldered in wire through the centre of the arm and through the pole. the pots are 0.3mm wire soldered into holes drilled through the arms, with a piece of plastic wire sheathing to represent the pots. It should be noted I'm modelling the earlier type of arms etc., suitable for my circa 1910 layout. I also used the 'Railway Signalling and Communications' book published by Peter Kay many years ago to get the correct way round etc., of the terminal pots.

One of the main problems we have in west Cornwall from visitors (if they make it this far), is their inability to cleanly/easily reverse their vehicle in our bucolic idyll backroads 😇

t-b-g, I think compound2632 has said a lot more than nothing a couple of times 😎