Penlan

The HMRS's 'Great Western Way' states Light Grey for Cambrian goods stock. Some Cambrian model stock I've seen has been painted with grey auto primer, agreed this can vary in shade. Jim Richards Cambrian stock at the NRM is a light grey, slightly lighter than the MR stuff. Humbrol 64 - Light Grey may be nearer, but of the three colour charts to hand, they are all different. Humbrol 87 - Steel Grey might also be a contender, again as above, the charts vary. I'm happy enough with Auto Grey primer. I think the match to MR Grey is about right in terms of 'lightness', Mike Morton Lloyds stock (MRJ No. 3) looked a little lighter than the MR staock, but this could have been acentuated by the Dark Grey/Black framing on the Cambrian Vans. But if you need to move away from the blueness - view them under tungstan lights!!!!!!! Of course all Light Grey stock then varied with time and polution, even the sea air off Barmouth took it's toll.

I'm interested, if only because I tried servo's, but the thing that defeated me was the settings box. After I mastered the servo's and the drivers and getting linkages together (for signals - but it's the same as points - limited travel, set speed(s) etc.,) to enable a reasonable travel on the servo to monitor. However I found when attending exhibitions, the linkage on a few items had 'drifted' and trying to get the Setting box to adjust the movement etc., proved to cause me more problems, then again I'm probably cack handed - yes I know I could ring a friend, contact the supplier, but an hour before an exhibition open's is not the time for careful and deliberate thought processes.... I think the whole idea of RC Servo's is very good, and once 'The Knowledge' is there, 'Simples', it's just the diversity of this hobby means there's so many aspects to come to terms with and focus on into a small space. That is one of the advantages of belonging to a Club, if the Club of course has members who are up there with the knowledge on say, Servo drives, Crane rigging, Telegraph Poles, Harness' on horses etc., ..... I don't belong to a club now, but some 30 years ago I was in the West Midlands EM Area Group.

Is that the one (oh, a pun!) that goes'.... It's my layout and I will run what I like/want....'

JamieB and Kenton, Re. the handrails, if one of you wants to PM me on this, I will put you in touch with a guy who was very close to the late Mike Morton-Lloyd (MML), he should be able to help out with some details, I would expect Chris had details from him too. His household does not have any form of PC, etc., All is slow mail or telephone calls - no mobiles......... I know a lot of the MML photo's are being made available through the Welsh Railways Research Circle (WRRC) at present, (I am a member), the photo's of C.C.Green are mostly with the Historical Model Railway Soc., (HMRS).

Kenton, my apologies then, I will have to get Chris to up date his web site to include ALL the available 4mm kits.

It's only listed as a 7mm kit at present though, see here . Not many of Chris's items are available in 4mm.

I find I need more than the 30 minutes limited waiting in that area (to visit Kernow Models - and I'm not a RTR modeller ), it's 2 hours in Tesco's car park and 2 mins walk each way.

TIC - Julia might be from the far south of the Equator, Polar bears would be wrong then B)

A friend used a UV pen to put two lines round the axles of his stock in a certain position, photographed some examples of the axles through a UV filter (or something like that), plus photo's of all his stock and a database of his 'holdings', and sure enough they disappeared during a break-in - recovered and returned to him because of the bespoke markings, some damage, but insurance paid out - insurance that's another topic/minefield. Of course a problem seems to arise when your 'place of theft' is in one police area and the items are recovered elsewhere, hopefully the police are working towards a solution...

Yes, but they're not ' ..three little maidens, all in a row..', that's the cliche (or the song, before someone picks me up).

TIC - One type of layout that doesn't seem to have become a cliche is the Treacle Mine private siding, although I seem to recall there was one some decades ago. If one more appears it will be cliche Looking through some of the early 'Railway Magazine' for 1897 - 1899, there are some interesting articles on how the railways worked certain traffic, including brick works, Jam and Broccoli. I suppose Jam is not that far removed from Treacle.... and weren't there some Molasses Tank wagons?? I had thought of doing a LNWR BLT many years ago, about the same time as Dave Pennington did his delightful Stanmore, I was surprised to find there were very few BLT's on the LNWR worth modelling, considering the size of the LNWR, that is compared with say the post-grouping GWR BLT's - in my opinion... .

TIC - I think it will be easier seen if you look on the LEFT hand side as you walk down from Tesco's car park..... It has a Red ediface (and Yellow I think)

An interesting read, re. cliches there's this from that site too, circa 1965 'Certain proprietary products became notorious: Superquick kits were a particular cliché and the Superquick low-relief buildings eventually came to blight any layout on which they appeared'. I had some correspondence with CJF in the late 60's, where I implied that everything was GWR, he said that's because that's what people want, to which I replied, 'but that's all that's available in the RTR market to buy'. We agreed to differ, and then the LMS Society burst forth....

CK, if you compare the lever positions of the levers pulled off in Wordsell Forever's photo of the Upper Holloway box with the position of your's, your only about half-way there.... unless of course your's it's not a genuine Midland Frame, but a replacement by the BR WR

David, have you sorted your aluminium Corrugated Iron/Asbestos sheeting out yet? I have used the 34mm x 140mm sheets from Eastwell Iron Works and found them to be satisfactory. There's six sheets in a pack, I think you will need a few packs for the roof though Penlan PS - if you want a pack to test, I've one doing nothing (for about 15 years now!) you can have, PM me.

As stated many times a cracking MRJ show, unless, I was told, you were a trader, it was to crowded for anybody to get their wallets out, and being 'crowded' by a trade stand is not conducive to feeling at ease for spending money. I went with a party of us from North Worcestershire, the West Midlands EMGS Area Group of the time. I saw Hursley, but we must have been in early (which we were) as I don't recall queuing to any degree, but certainly recall the queues later. There were other great layouts to see too.........

Not directly related but there's discussion at http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/18741-alex-jackson-couplings/page__p__181112__hl__flubrush__fromsearch__1#entry181112 on the AJ and S&W's etc., which followed on from various topics on the old RMweb, I wonder how flubrush got on with his P4me couplings.. There may be something of relevance.

MBD's ? , but where from, as you mention on the 'Modelrailforum' they are similar to D&G's, but there is no pointer to a site where these may be either viewed or obtained, or indeed for any further information on them. Google doesn't help either. A reference site for MBD's would be helpful, please. Penlan - using LisaP4 couplings and 3 link.. PS, I have been in touch with 2ManySpams off line re. the Bringewood, hopefully Chris is sorted.

Thank goodness for that! $16k for this, evidently I'm missing something, but I don't think it's common sense - but that could be Catch 22.

I like the office building especially, captures the spirit of thing, but, the top of the drain pipe may need to be connected a bit more securely, perhaps through a hole in the facing!!!

Peter Kay's reprint 'Railway Signalling and Communications', published in the 90's (ISBN 1 899890 24 6), states the following information which may help: On straight stretches spaced on average 65 yards apart. (=780mm or 30inches in 4mm scale). Placed on the inside of curves wherever possible. Space between post is reduced to 50-60 yards on curves - sharper the radius, reduce the spacing. Lowest wire height when crossing: The railway lines - at least 17 ft above track Occupation crossings - 16ft above road Main roads - 20ft minimum However I think you will need to reduce that distance apart to give a visual spacing effect that feels comfortable, due to our perception of what the distance is rather than reality - mine are closer than 60yds, but then again I do have quarter mile posts at 17'4" apart (more or less correct in 4mm) - useful for checking train speeds over the quarter mile, 15 secs = 60mph, 45secs = 20mph. We occasionally, at exhibitions, run a book on 'What speed is this train travelling at' and noting the time between the quarter mile posts, no money changes hands, but more than 20% variance in speed for the answer is a round forfeited in the pub later on..... , and yes most people are wide (a slower speed answer) of the mark, we have known a whole evening go by without the need to buy a pint......... because of the generosity of other exhibitors !!!!!!!! I thought we had covered this topic extensively in the past, but 'Telegraph Pole' in the search box (and Forums) revealed nothing obvious on RMWeb.

Donedeal.ie - well if somebody parts with 1,000 EU's then they have been done.

I know it's later than WW1, but yes.........

I think you may have a miss-conception of retirement activity, my experience shows there is LESS time.... Good to meet you and PhilH over the weekend.

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