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The only one not too.

 

Mike.

 

Did "The Royal Naval Reserve" have it?

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If you're not getting tired of this, Mark, I realise I've got a couple more, part of a set taken at Westbury in August 1972. From the sequence of slide numbers these are very likely to have been taken before the one of 812 at Penzance on the 23rd. The big clue here is that on this day, 820 and 821 were both at Westbury in the early evening. For completeness, I'll include the whole lot, not just the Warship ones.

 

10421958233_c807045aa1_z.jpgAUG 72 17. A Class 52 approaches Fairwood Junction on the Westbury avoiding line, 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

10421815315_ecf10d07b9_z.jpgAUG 72 19. A Class 33 at Fairwood Junction, August 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

10421804174_584d545d3f_z.jpgSEP 72 01. 821 Greyhound enters Westbury with a train of oil tanks, August 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

10421822025_801e00e8d7_z.jpgSEP 72 02. A Hymek leaves Westbury with a parcels train, August 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

10421825915_15880bb466_z.jpgSEP 72 ?? A Hymek leaves Westbury, August 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

10633780033_881b431f19_z.jpgSEP 72 04. 820 Grenville at Westbury, August 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

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I have just had a look at the archive weather maps 1972 and with a large high pressure over the UK on 23rd August, the clear blue skies fit very well.

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If you're not getting tired of this, Mark, I realise I've got a couple more, part of a set taken at Westbury in August 1972. From the sequence of slide numbers these are very likely to have been taken before the one of 812 at Penzance on the 23rd. The big clue here is that on this day, 820 and 821 were both at Westbury in the early evening. For completeness, I'll include the whole lot, not just the Warship ones.

 

10421958233_c807045aa1_z.jpgAUG 72 17. A Class 52 approaches Fairwood Junction on the Westbury avoiding line, 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

10421815315_ecf10d07b9_z.jpgAUG 72 19. A Class 33 at Fairwood Junction, August 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

10421804174_584d545d3f_z.jpgSEP 72 01. 821 Greyhound enters Westbury with a train of oil tanks, August 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

10421822025_801e00e8d7_z.jpgSEP 72 02. A Hymek leaves Westbury with a parcels train, August 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

10421825915_15880bb466_z.jpgSEP 72 ?? A Hymek leaves Westbury, August 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

10633780033_881b431f19_z.jpgSEP 72 04. 820 Grenville at Westbury, August 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

With 820 I can give you dates between as it was working the Westbury to Gatwick & Merstham circuits for a few days so this could be one of the motorway construction trains... 02/08/72-09/08/72 / 16/08/72-21/08/72

 

On 09/08/72 821 worked a 14.25 freight from Exeter to Westbury which could be the picture of that train conveying tank empties from City Basin which went onwards later to Southall and stayed in the Westbury area until 17/08/72, that's the closest I can give you on these... and no Andy... never get tired of trying to identify Warship workings :-)

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Thanks again Mark. I ought to credit you for all this gen in my Flikr captions when I update them. Would you rather be credited under your actual name, or your phishplatephan pseudonym (or not at all if you'd rather not)?

 

Would you have any ideas about D6330's likely activities on the day I caught it at Barnstaple in August 1970? I found it resting between duties when I was waiting to catch the 14:40 departure for Ilfracombe, and it was gone by the time I got back. The WTT shows a 16:40 Torrington-Exeter Freight & MIlk. Could it have gone to fetch that?

10066178154_affef3fc01_z.jpgSEP 70 01 D6330 at Barnstaple Junction, August 1970 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

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Thanks again Mark. I ought to credit you for all this gen in my Flikr captions when I update them. Would you rather be credited under your actual name, or your phishplatephan pseudonym (or not at all if you'd rather not)?

 

Would you have any ideas about D6330's likely activities on the day I caught it at Barnstaple in August 1970? I found it resting between duties when I was waiting to catch the 14:40 departure for Ilfracombe, and it was gone by the time I got back. The WTT shows a 16:40 Torrington-Exeter Freight & MIlk. Could it have gone to fetch that?

10066178154_affef3fc01_z.jpgSEP 70 01 D6330 at Barnstaple Junction, August 1970 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

The diagram that worked 7C67 is shown below. As you can see the loco was booked to arrive at 15.40 from Torrington,shunt, and then sit idle until 19.40 when it would work 7C67 to Riverside. The main duty of the day was 6C15 and it was quite a busy day for the loco.6330 was around and about at Exeter for a lot of July and August, I can tell you it was on the Hemyock milk on Saturday 1st August. Those trips could run at anytime,as soon as they were ready so its hard to say exactly what it was doing. The 16.40 Torrington was also part of the same diagram, the loco would be the A loco one day, the B next, back to A next etc and again you can see the loco had an idle period around the time you saw it. So the 7C67 could be ready for its next train (ie it's the A loco) or from the previous day and you saw it as the B loco. Regarding credits, I'm happy to share info Andy, you have provided excellent photographs and seeing them is my reward. If you want to mention me the my real name is fine, but i'm not overly fussed... just keep posting pictures mate :-)

 

TARGET 6C15

 

'A' engine

                                     Arr.                        Dep.                         Notes.

 

Exeter S.P.                                                    02.30                        LD

Exeter St. Davids             02.35                      03.00        6C15

Eggesford                        03.50                      03.57                       

Umberleigh                      04.21                      04.23

Barnstaple Junction          04.37     

                                                   SHUNT                                     Shunt as required.

Barnstaple Junction                                        11.25         6C15

Torrington                        11.59                      12.19         6C15

Meeth                             13.00                      13.27         6C15

Marland                           13.44                      13.56         6C15

Torrington                        14.25      SHUNT     15.06         6C15

Barnstaple Junction          15.40      SHUNT     19.40         7C67

Exeter Riverside Yard        20.55                      21.00                        LD

Exeter S.P.                      21.05

 

LOCO THEN WORKS 'B' ENGINE

 

'B' engine

                                     Arr.                        Dep.                         Notes.

 

Exeter S.P.                                                   04.40                        LD

Exeter St. Davids             04.45                     04.53        8C01         Banking loco.

Exmouth Junction            05.07                      05.09        0C58         LD

Exeter Riverside Yard       05.16                      06.00        7C18

Lapford                           06.40      SHUNT     06.56

Kings Nympton                07.32      SHUNT     07.53

Barnstaple Junction          08.22                      08.45        6C20

Torrington                        09.19                      09.46        6C20

Meeth                             10.27                      10.54        6C20

Marland                           11.11                      11.23        6C20

Torrington                        11.52                      12.05        6C20

Barnstaple Junction          12.39

                                                   SHUNT                                     Shunt as required.

Barnstaple Junction                                        15.45        0C99         LD

Torrington                        16.15                      16.40        6C24         Conveys freight and milk.

Barnstaple Junction          17.22                       17.30        6C24         Conveys freight and milk.

Exeter Riverside Yard       18.35                       18.50        6C24         Conveys milk.

Exeter St. Davids             18.55                       19.00                        LD

Exeter S.P.                      19.05

 

Exeter S.P.                                   COUPLE   19.50                        In multiple with NA 95 / LD

Exeter S.D.                     19.55                      20.10        2C76

N. Abbot                         20.42                      20.50                        LD

N. Abbot depot                20.55                                                      Uncouple from NA 95.

                                                   FUEL

N. Abbot depot                                              21.55                        LD

N. Abbot                         22.00                      22.10        7C . .

Exeter Riverside Yard       22.48                      22.55                        LD

Exeter S.P.                     23.00

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For completeness I'll add my remaining Warship pictures, all taken at Westbury on (if the annotations on my slides are correct) the same day -  May 11 1972. A remarkably fruitful outing considering it was probably only an afternoon trip in school term time. Thursdays were a half day in compensation for having classes on Saturday morning.

 

10421980403_7c9869cabc_z.jpgMAY 72 03. 820 Grenville at Westbury, May 11 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr
Perhaps 7B68 - the 14:50 from Westbury to Bristol West Depot.

 

10421807104_7728561b77_z.jpgMAY 72 04. 820 Grenville leaves Westbury, May 11 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

Going away shot of the same train. I remember that on the return journey to Bristol as darkness was falling we passed a Warship at Avoncliff, which was perhaps 820 coming back to Westbury.

 

10421811905_87e8e2516b_z.jpgMAY 72 ??. 821 Greyhound arrives at Westbury, May 11 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

821 on a coal train. Evidently having recently worked 09:55 Paignton-Paddington.

 

10421844555_0f71fbf6f4_z.jpgMAY 72 ?? 805 Benbow and 832 Onslaught at Westbury, May 11 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

Towards the end of the afternoon it got gloomier and rainier, but I was able to get an unprecedented (for me) two Warships in one shot. It came out underexposed, but Photoshop has made it tolerable. 7V16 seems not to feature in the working timetable, but it looks like coal empties from the Southern Region to South Wales. 6B23 was the 14:20 Exeter City Basin to Westbury, which should have arrived here at 17:37.

 

10421828296_29322d0f2a_z.jpgMAY 72 ?? D7054 at Westbury, May 11 1972 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

Plus one Hymek - by then a rarity in this livery. 4O22 was the 13:40 Parcels and ECS from Bristol Temple Meads to Salisbury. The working timetable notes that it was parcels only from Westbury to Salisbury, so I suppose the coaches will have been detached here.

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On the 9th 821 worked 1A59 and I have 820 returning on the 18.25 Bristol - Westbury.

 

7V16 was the 19.50 Fareham to Westbury stone empties although I suspect 832, and 821, might be on a Merehead stone trips or the Gatwick / Merstham jobs

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On the 9th 821 worked 1A59 and I have 820 returning on the 18.25 Bristol - Westbury.

 

7V16 was the 19.50 Fareham to Westbury stone empties although I suspect 832, and 821, might be on a Merehead stone trips or the Gatwick / Merstham jobs

Fareham used, indeed, still uses, 'flat-bottom' minerals, and has no hopper discharge capability, so it's unlikely a train of hoppers would be coming from there.

The photo of 'Greyhound' is another Merehead working, I suspect- the train contains some of the larger 24.5t hoppers that worked from there. When these wagons were first built, they were allocated to certain flows; a grand total of three were allocated to roadstone traffic from Foster Yeoman's original quarry.

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Some wonder pictures here Andy.

 

Going back to post 16, it looks like 825 Intrepid is missing a nameplate. I wasn't aware any ran in service like that. Live and learn...

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Some warships did - but did any westerns?
 

Phil

 

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Some wonder pictures here Andy.

 

Going back to post 16, it looks like 825 Intrepid is missing a nameplate. I wasn't aware any ran in service like that. Live and learn.

814 and 825 were withdrawn on New Year's Day 1972 and their plates were naturally removed. They were reinstated in March and ran without plates until final withdrawal in August. I'm not sure if any others were treated in the same way.

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Some warships did - but did any westerns?

 

Phil

 

 

 

I haven't access to my notes, but a few did at various times.

Of course, there's always the conundrum that as you can only see one side at a time, (unless on shed visits or the like). how did we know there was a plate on the other side?

 

Mike.

 

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Schrodingers plate?

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814 and 825 were withdrawn on New Year's Day 1972 and their plates were naturally removed. They were reinstated in March and ran without plates until final withdrawal in August. I'm not sure if any others were treated in the same way.

Wasn't 829 another one?

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