coachmann Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 What was the number series for the riveted Panniers? Would be useful to know in case any ran on Wales and Borders lines in the 1950's? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 6700-49, 7700-24 and 8725-49(6700-49 were 'goods only' locos, with no vacuum brakes, no ATC, no steam heating, and 3-link couplings.) Edited January 8, 2018 by Miss Prism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 6700-49, 7700-24 and 8725-49 (6700-49 were 'goods only' locos, with no vacuum brakes, no ATC, no steam heating, and 3-link couplings.) Thanks Miss Prism. Very useful. Wolverhampton appears to be the closest in my 1953 book unfortunately. I'll try 1958 shed allocations with hopefully one at Croes Newydd. EDIT : Goddit....8727 at Croes Newyd in 1959. Just one question ....Did it have top feed anyone....? Edited January 8, 2018 by coachmann 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 6700-49, 7700-24 and 8725-49 (6700-49 were 'goods only' locos, with no vacuum brakes, no ATC, no steam heating, and 3-link couplings.) I will be modelling 6724 in her naked guise as allocated to 86B Newport Pill shed. She also had no top-feed so looks quite austere, but the Bagnall works plates on the front splasher add a little something. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Horizon Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) Hi Larry Yes, 8727 did have a top feed looking at this photo at masterpiecemodels.co.uk/index.php although this looks like it was taken in the preservation era. Look under the models for sale heading and click on the 57xx/8750 Hope this is of help to you. John Edited January 8, 2018 by Blue Horizon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted January 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2018 If anyone can confirm if 7715 (St Blazey) had received the later totem by c59/60 I’d be grateful. I suspect not but in all the photos I’ve seen it is impossible to tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Yes, 8727 did have a top feed looking at this photo at masterpiecemodels.co.uk/index.php Both panniers in that picture have fictional numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Horizon Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Many thanks Miss Prism for pointing that out....me bad. So sorry coachman that the search must continue, but no doubt someone Somewhere must have the correct evidence for you. Bit like the X files really! John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 No matter guys. I will play safe and go for 4617 again seeing as I have photos of it actually working on the Llangollen line in BR days. Thanks to everyone who responded 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 The best possible advice is to have a prototype photo of the engine to be modelled. On page 7 of The Pannier Papers No 3 there is a photo of 5718 with riveted tanks at Bristol in 1956. It was not unknown for tanks to change during overhauls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2018 The best possible advice is to have a prototype photo of the engine to be modelled. On page 7 of The Pannier Papers No 3 there is a photo of 5718 with riveted tanks at Bristol in 1956. It was not unknown for tanks to changed during overhauls. I would also add that if at all possible reliably dated photos are also relevant when it comes to 57xx/8750 panniers as some engines definitely went from a boiler with a top feed to one without a top feed (and no doubt vice versa) at some point in their lives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Although swelled slightly with the withdrawal of the dwindling Dean Goods members, the number of backfeed P class boilers in active or serviceable use gradually declined, and it was comparatively rare to see one fitted on an 8750 in later years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Isambarduk Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 ... on the other hand, we could chill a bit, recognise that our railway modelling is all a compromise, appreciate these excellent models as they are, then detailing them and numbering them as best we can and not worrying quite so much about it David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Mine was a question that I was confident one of the few remaining railway modellers on RMweb could answer. There was no requirement for any pretentious fake modeller to respond. What a strange, unnecessary & unwelcome comment. If it was directed at David, I can only say that in my dealings with him, he has been unfailingly polite and always helpful. He is a talented modeller & highly capable model engineer. He's also an Engineer by profession. If it wasn't directed at David, please excuse my intervention, and possibly clarify so nobody else misunderstands. Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Boucher Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Here are two photos of a pre-production version of the Minerva 0 gauge RTR 57XX 0-6-0 pannier tank locomotive with riveted tanks. This is the third and final version in the Minerva 57XX/8750 series. It will be available with and without top-feed apparatus and in GWR green with "GREAT WESTERN" insignia and no insignia and plain black with early and late British Railways crests. The model retails at £265 for DC, £320 for DCC fiitted and £390 for DCC sound fitted. The carriage charge is £9 per loco. All prices include UK VAT at 20%. We fit ZIMO decoders. The production run will be smaller for this version and we publish the delivery date shortly. If you wish to place an advanced order please use the form on our website. We will not bill you until the models are tested and ready for dispatch. https://www.minervamodelrailways.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Order-form-Pannier-57xx-Rivetted.pdf Love it. IMHO, The rivets on the tanks add character to a loco which is already oozing with character. I'm looking forward to getting mine in the mail. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 ... on the other hand, we could chill a bit, recognise that our railway modelling is all a compromise, appreciate these excellent models as they are, then detailing them and numbering them as best we can and not worrying quite so much about it DavidHi David, That is a very refreshing POV from a skilled modeller, well said. With my own modelling, I do my best, 'continuous improvement' etc etc., but as my knowledge grows, the eyesight and hands dont always work like they used to. Also as a lone modeller-with help from time to time-I still strive for accuracy but not at the cost of diminishing returns. Eg. if someone visits the layout-when it's substantially complete-I want them to see a reasonably accurate represenation of the WR in the late 1960s and early 1970s-thus not every bolt head will be present on 'layout models', especially as in 7mm, lots has to be kit or scratch built. I admired Ken Payne's work, his output too......I could never match that. Having said all that, isnt it always the way, one has just finished a kit, one which fought every step of the way, painted, numbered and weathered it, thinking, after a month or two, 'I can live with that', then that one rare photo-the one your mate told you hed seen 30 years earlier but no one can find now, even after hours of searches, physically and online-appears that proves that one has got such and such detail wrong-'oh bother!'. We can only do our best, with what we have to hand. It is a hobby after all a pleasure. Love it. IMHO, The rivets on the tanks add character to a loco which is already oozing with character. I'm looking forward to getting mine in the mail. Hi Mike, Im sorely tempted by another, but as a modeller of diesels, I have to resist! <Mumbles.....must....resist.....must resist> LOL! Kindest to all, New Year's wishes, CME. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Boucher Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 6700-49, 7700-24 and 8725-49 (6700-49 were 'goods only' locos, with no vacuum brakes, no ATC, no steam heating, and 3-link couplings.) Thanks for the information. Anyone have information as to which of those #s were delivered without top feed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Anyone have information as to which of those #s were delivered without top feed? All of them were delivered without top feed. (Which didn't arrive until 1942, and the top feed boiler became a standard fitting from 1944.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Isambarduk Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 coachmann, on 09 Jan 2018 - 12:24, said: Mine was a question that I was confident one of the few remaining railway modellers on RMweb could answer. There was no requirement for any pretentious fake modeller to respond. If you were addressing me, coachmann, I do apologise: I had no intention to offend. Please accept my apologies. On the 'fake modeller', yes, I suppose I am really, given that I am more of a model engineer than a railway modeller, that I have never built a model railway of my own and that I have preferred to accept running powers offered to me over the years by many good friends. That said, I have been known to build a passable loco or two over the past few decades. Pretentious, I do hope not because I was endeavouring to make a serious point, to which some members do seem to have related, but I should not clog up Chris and Chris's thread with trying to elaborate upon it here. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) If you were addressing me, coachmann, I do apologise: I had no intention to offend. Please accept my apologies. On the 'fake modeller', yes, I suppose I am really, given that I am more of a model engineer than a railway modeller, that I have never built a model railway of my own and that I have preferred to accept running powers offered to me over the years by many good friends. That said, I have been known to build a passable loco or two over the past few decades. Pretentious, I do hope not because I was endeavouring to make a serious point, to which some members do seem to have related, but I should not clog up Chris and Chris's thread with trying to elaborate upon it here. David I had asked for some advice on Pannier Top Feeds and allocations of the rivetted tank 57XX's and I assumed I was being told not to take my railway modelling so seriously David. Bad mistake and it is me who is apologizing. Edited January 9, 2018 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I'm awaiting the delivery of my 57xx number plates, but is there a similar deal for the buffer beam transfers? If not, where is the best place to source them from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 What is the expected delivery of the riveted tank 57xx’s ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 As you may recall, the initial delivery of our 8750 Panniers was about 6 weeks late last summer, due to a moulding issue that needed a little extra time to put right. Despite our best efforts, and of those in our factory, it was not possible to recover these few weeks for the delivery of the 57xxs, which arrived in November, rather than the start of October as expected. Sadly, once again we find ourselves unable to recover the missing weeks for the riveted panniers, which we had expected at the end of January 2018. We are still about six weeks behind. However, we have now confirmed that the first models will arrive in March 2018, but it is unlikely that they will be here in time for the Gauge 0 Guild show at Kettering. We will be attending the Gloucester 0 gauge Group show at Hardwicke on the 25th March, and we are as sure as we can be that we will have received the models by then. We know that many of our customers budget carefully to purchase our models, so we hope that this will provide some guidance as to when funds will be needed. We are sorry to disappoint anyone, but, to look on the bright side; at least the delay is a small number of weeks rather than several years……….. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Thanks for the update Chris, it will be worth the wait no doubt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Good work with updates Chris-great service in fact. I was always taught to declare delays as it saves hassle in the mid-long term. Thanks for heads up re Hardwicke I missed it last year. Keep up the good work. Warm wishes n kind regards, CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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