5050 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Looking good. I'm impressed that you can get all that amount of trackwork on such small boards in 7mm scale. Makes me think how it might work in 4mm and how small the boards could be. Given your location, will you be attending DEFine in January? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted December 20, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) Looking good. I'm impressed that you can get all that amount of trackwork on such small boards in 7mm scale. Makes me think how it might work in 4mm and how small the boards could be. Given your location, will you be attending DEFine in January? Thanks 5050. Will admit that I've never heard of DEFine before - could you enlighten me please? Edited December 20, 2016 by NeilHB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike Bellamy Posted December 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2016 Details here Neil - just a few miles up the road but it's 4mm finescale modern image - none of which apply to Burnside http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/106648-define-exhibition-announcement/ This is where you should be the week after their gathering - how about having all your research and plans on a table for others to see and comment? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/116620-mickleover-derby-7mm-narrow-gauge-21st-january-2017/ . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Details here Neil - just a few miles up the road but it's 4mm finescale modern image - none of which apply to Burnside http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/106648-define-exhibition-announcement/ This is where you should be the week after their gathering - how about having all your research and plans on a table for others to see and comment? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/116620-mickleover-derby-7mm-narrow-gauge-21st-january-2017/ . It's still model railways. I go to O gauge events even though I'm a confirmed P4'er - and not really 'modern image'. Although I do have several green diesels. Does this still comply as 'modern image'? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hespertalbahn Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Neil, this is very interesting. I am looking forward for further developement of the plans and the realisation of them afterwards. You mentioned a narrow gauge predecessor: ... For those of you who aren't aware of the Tramway, here's a brief history: The Cropper’s paper business is now concentrated at Burneside, but when all three mills were in use the transport problem was solved by the construction of a narrow gauge tramway linking the sites in 1879. The tramway was replaced in 1927 (though other sites give the date as 1924) by a standard gauge line, ... Are there any informations/pictures available ? I find that all very interesting but I am more into narrow gauge... Best wishes Dirk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted December 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2016 Have to say this topic is getting me very interested. Yesterday I had to take my Dad up to Keswick, so we made a detour through Burneside and Bowston to try and see where the track used to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted December 20, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2016 Details here Neil - just a few miles up the road but it's 4mm finescale modern image - none of which apply to Burnside http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/106648-define-exhibition-announcement/ This is where you should be the week after their gathering - how about having all your research and plans on a table for others to see and comment? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/116620-mickleover-derby-7mm-narrow-gauge-21st-january-2017/ . Thanks Mike, yes I'll bring along my research and the plans, I may even see how far I get with mocking up some of the buildings for Cowan Head over the Christmas break - given how long it's taken me to paint the turntables for Henmore I can't promise anything though! Neil, this is very interesting. I am looking forward for further developement of the plans and the realisation of them afterwards. You mentioned a narrow gauge predecessor: Are there any informations/pictures available ? I find that all very interesting but I am more into narrow gauge... Best wishes Dirk Thanks Dirk, greatly appreciated. Below I've attached a couple of photos that I've found of the line in its narrow gauge, horse drawn days: What appears to be the loading/exchange dock in Burneside goods yard. The mill complex at Burneside in narrow gauge days. I hope that these photos are useful to you. It appears that it was only ever horse worked in its narrow gauge state. Have to say this topic is getting me very interested. Yesterday I had to take my Dad up to Keswick, so we made a detour through Burneside and Bowston to try and see where the track used to go. Thanks Colin, it's a lovely drive through Burneside and Bowston isn't it? Did you manage to find the route of the Tramway? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hespertalbahn Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Hello Neil, thank you very much for the two pictures and the informations. I had hoped that there would have been (steam) locos in service. Do you have informations about the gauge ? It looks quite broad for narrow gauge... Best wishes Dirk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted December 20, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2016 Hello Neil, thank you very much for the two pictures and the informations. I had hoped that there would have been (steam) locos in service. Do you have informations about the gauge ? It looks quite broad for narrow gauge... Best wishes Dirk Hi Dirk, From various books I have read it appears that the gauge was 3'. I think that given the flammable nature of the paper, they didn't even think about using steam locos - at various times during its working life one or other of the mills has burned down. I am surprised that they didn't convert to loco power after WWI, considering the number of surplus Simplex locos etc. Cheers, Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hespertalbahn Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) Neil, looking at the first picture I would have thought that the gauge was somehow near standard gauge, especially compared to the tallness of the people around. But in those days people have been shorter... Steam locos and paper (mill) may be risky, but I had the system at Sittingbourne with its numerous spark arrestor fitted steam locos in mind. I am looking forward for further developement. Cheers Dirk Edited December 20, 2016 by hespertalbahn 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted December 20, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2016 Neil, looking at the first picture I would have thought that the gauge was somehow near standard gauge, especially compared to the tallness of the people around. But in those days people have been shorter... Steam locos and paper (mill) may be risky, but I had the system at Sittingbourne with its numerous spart arrestors fitted steam locos in mind. I am looking forward for further developement. Cheers Dirk True yes it does look nearer standard - I have seen a reference to the gauge being 3'6", but as I'd only seen it once assumed that was an error. I had forgotten about Sittingbourne, so no reason why a freelanced version of Burneside couldn't work using narrow gauge steam locos! Cheers, Neil 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted January 11, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2017 It's amazing what you find when trawling through Facebook groups...a photo of when Rachel ran off the end of the slurry siding in 1954... Some interesting details here of what I am assuming to be the wagons for tipping the slurry, and one of the internal user wagons too judging by the dumb buffers. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 It would be interesting to find out the origin of the dumb buffered wagon! Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted January 12, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 It would be interesting to find out the origin of the dumb buffered wagon! Marc So would I Marc! Though I reckon it's a homemade job... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 The brake looks like either Furness or LNWR. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2017 That armour plating on the Simplex came in useful for the driver! Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) I thought these may be of use if you want to have a go at modelling the Simplex. The photo is an official Motor Rail Ltd. picture, taken in the works yard at Bedford, of a 40/50HP petrol loco. The drawing is from a 1932 Motor Rail Ltd. catalogue. Edited January 15, 2017 by Ruston 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted January 15, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2017 Thanks Dave - very much appreciated! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted January 4, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2018 There hasn’t been any progress at all on Burneside since my last post, and there probably isn’t going to be much progress going forward, however I do at last have one half of the motivepower for the layout thanks to Shapeways: https://www.shapeways.com/product/SWP8T9CQ6/o-43-sg-simplex-loco-1?optionId=64450240 It’s rather nice! 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Nice. How are you going to power it? MArc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted January 4, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2018 Not sure yet Marc - I’ve seen a couple of micro geared motors on Amazon, and wondered about coupling one of them with some Delrin chain and gears to drive both axles maybe? If that doesn’t work then digital (I.e. finger power) will have to do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Have you has a look at high level kit. They have a range of small motor that fit to 1/8th axles. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted January 4, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2018 Thanks Marc, I’ll have a look at them if my other idea doesn’t work out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 very nice, want one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turin 60 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Re "how to power it", a good while ago I built two of the 7mm scale baby Rustons. One was a small motor & gearbox on each axle, while the other was a larger motor on one axle with Delrin chain to the second axle, as I recall both worked well. Highlevel gearboxes are your friend! On the S4 society website I'm sure there's a section with loads of information on small coreless motors hung on axles with belt drive to gear them down. If that works in 4mm/S4 then it should be a doddle in 7mm scale! Good luck John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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