GreenDiesel Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I'm a big fan of movies that have a lot of railway action, both in TV shows as well as films. This weekend, "Murder on the Orient Express" will open here in Canada & my family and I are planning to see it. I don't know much about European/Continental steam locos so I'm curious to find out if anyone here knows what kind of loco is used in the film and especially if it's even a real one. I've googled a view videos that show the movie being made and, at first, it sure looks like a real loco. But then some later footage seems to indicate that it might be a full-size replica (i.e. a model) that is not powered at all but is simply pushed along the track with sound effects added. Does anyone have any further info or details, i.e. whether it's a real loco, what kind it is, and which country it's from? Apologies if this question isn't in the correct section -- please feel to move it if necessary. Thanks in advance, Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 It's a real loco alright! It's an Est Railway (France) 2-4-1A mountain: http://www.voisin.ch/vvt/materiel/autres/241-a-65_e.html Trix do a (rather expensive) model of it: http://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/22941-sncf-241-a-65-dcc-sound-49441-p.asp Probably also available from Reyaulds in the USA too. Cheers, John. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) And the power was provided by Andrew Briddons collection... His 03 901 and Charlie, with his Dad, Pete driving. Various mentions in Petes weekly blog at www.weekendrails.co.uk Andy G Edited November 10, 2017 by uax6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDiesel Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 It's a real loco alright! It's an Est Railway (France) 2-4-1A mountain: http://www.voisin.ch/vvt/materiel/autres/241-a-65_e.html Trix do a (rather expensive) model of it: http://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/22941-sncf-241-a-65-dcc-sound-49441-p.asp Probably also available from Reyaulds in the USA too. Cheers, John. Thanks -- that is great to know. Awesome video too! Really looking forward to the movie now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDiesel Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 And the power was provided by Andrew Briddons collection... His 03 901 and Charlie, with his Dad, Pete driving. Various mentions in Petes weekly blog at www.weekendrails.co.uk Andy G Thanks... I'm also checking this link as well. Guess I was too cynical thinking it was a model or computer animation! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSG Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 The sound will have been heavily post-processed anyway, which, to someone used to watching videos of real locos recorded just using a trackside camera and microphone, may have the counter-intuitive effect of making it sound less real. Bear in mind that it's set in winter, but the movie snow is all fake and they'll have had to add effects to better mimic how a steam loco looks when it's cold (particularly the way that steam condenses into vapour much more rapidly). So there is some CGI involved, but only as an overlay to what is real, not as the core. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted November 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2017 The carriage interiors are fake though (understandably given the need to get camera angles). If the corridor was that wide the beds would have to be very short indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 In the 'official trailer', at the start there is the sound of a bell clanging while it's moving slowly, US-style, presumably it's from the engine. Do any European engines feature bells, apart from maybe engines used on tramway, such as we had here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamysandy Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Some German locos had steam operated bells.I remember travelling behind an ex Prussian 0-8-0 in 1972 when the bell was ringing continually.But I'm certain the class 50 2-10-0s also had them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chimer Posted November 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2017 Having seen the film, I'm sorry they didn't show the details of the eight blokes who turned up on a trolley rerailing the loco, from lying on its side, without a crane - I suspect they reverted to the hand of god, myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Did anybody else note a strong resemblance between Poirot in this and Sir Nigel Gresley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDiesel Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 Thanks for this feedback! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Previously identified here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/121655-films/?p=2872900 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Before anyone gets too heavy into 'nit-picking', remember - it's only a story !!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted November 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2017 In the 'official trailer', at the start there is the sound of a bell clanging while it's moving slowly, US-style, presumably it's from the engine. Do any European engines feature bells, apart from maybe engines used on tramway, such as we had here? I seem to recall that Swiss stations had a bell which would be rung when a train was departing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted November 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2017 Before anyone gets too heavy into 'nit-picking', remember - it's only a story !!! Many of us on RMWeb enjoy nit-picking. Don't spoil our fun :-) And even if I am an anorak, it spoils films and TV for me when there are obvious (and often quite unnecessary) anachronisms, whether on trains, motor vehicles or whatever. Latest example I found is the pub at Hallatrow which advertises dining in a genuine GWR dining car. Said dining car is a BR Mk1 RUO in Hogwarts' Red livery! I don't think the current landlords even know that they are guilty of misleading publicity. Works though as they were fully booked last Sunday. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDiesel Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 Don't want to get too off topic, but I generally appreciate realism in movies. I understand that our Canadian TV show, Murdoch Mysteries, is quite popular in the UK. It takes place in Toronto and southern Ontario (Canada) in the early 1900s. It's generally quite historically accurate, but in one episode, the main characters took a late BR British steam engine (a Black 5 I think) with BR maroon coaches, to Algonquin Park! There was a similar glitch in another episode. My son & I cringed when we saw this! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bimble Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 In the 'official trailer', at the start there is the sound of a bell clanging while it's moving slowly, US-style, presumably it's from the engine. Do any European engines feature bells, apart from maybe engines used on tramway, such as we had here? I can think of at least one.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted November 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2017 A number of PLM* locomotives were fitted with a bell - although I have not ascertained what the criteria were for such fitting, nor when it was used. * Paris - Lyon - Mediterranean Railway - operating in SE France until nationalisation in 1938. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mow Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Marklin site shows the engine. https://www.maerklin.de/en/products/details/article/39241/22/?tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bbacklink%5D=22&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bpage%5D=3&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bperpage%5D=10&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bera%5D=&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bnewonly%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgaugechoice%5D=2&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgroupchoice%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsubgroupchoice%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bfilter%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bpagesort%5D=artnrasc&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5BbrandId%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5BnoPaging%5D= Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSG Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Trix do a (rather expensive) model of it: http://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/22941-sncf-241-a-65-dcc-sound-49441-p.asp Marklin site shows the engine. https://www.maerklin.de/en/products/details/article/39241/22/?tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bbacklink%5D=22&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bpage%5D=3&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bperpage%5D=10&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bera%5D=&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bnewonly%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgaugechoice%5D=2&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgroupchoice%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsubgroupchoice%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bfilter%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bpagesort%5D=artnrasc&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5BbrandId%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5BnoPaging%5D= Looking at those prices, it makes recent increases from the likes of Hornby seem a lot more reasonable! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mswjr Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 There is an Article on a model engineer forum, M,E,C,H, A member on that works at the studios that are filming it,He has posted quite a few photos,of the loco,A full size mock up of a steam loco, But with hydraulic jacks fitted under it,These to tip it over on some of the film scenes, He has asked us not to post the pictures up on other sites just yet, As soon as he says that we can, Then ill put some on here, They are very interesting, and it is a work of art,being mostly wood,Must be a great job being involved in something like that. Garry 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDiesel Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 So I saw the movie tonight and, overall, really liked it. Being a steam train enthusiast and a fan of mysteries, it's hard not to like it. The train scenes were great, I enjoyed the 1930s ambience & I liked Poirot's detective work. I won't say too much more as I don't want to spoil anything! I've really appreciated the background info here re this steam loco. Thanks, Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Looking at those prices, it makes recent increases from the likes of Hornby seem a lot more reasonable! It seems a tad on the high side, but on the other hand, its got DCC Sound, includes a smoke unit, has working head and tail lights, a close coupling mechanism on the tender and the amount of separately applied detail in the form of all the external pipework alone would be expensive to fit. The only possible downside is that it has traction tyres... If the Hornby P2 wasn't "Design Clever", had external valvegear and was fitted with DCC, full fat sound, lights and smoke, then that too would be a pretty expensive proposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted November 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2017 Looking at those prices, it makes recent increases from the likes of Hornby seem a lot more reasonable! Look at the spec and I’ll think you’ll find it’s much more aligned to Dapol Black Label Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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