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  1. A pretty obvious option for a second run would be to do them in their original Air Ministry livery. Wartime is a bit of a niche era for railway modellers, but these would look great - and highly appropriate - hauled by a Rapido S160.
  2. It would be nice if Dapol could produce one then, possibly as part of a second run!
  3. Here's an attempt to summarise the authenticity and appropriateness of the various liveries, based on previous comments in this topic plus some research elsewhere... Firstly, a note regarding in-service dates. These wagons were originally built for military use, and only sold off into private ownership after the end of the war. Class A tanks lasted until 1971 and class B until 1974. So in terms of typical modelling eras, they're mostly appropriate for the BR early crest and late crest periods, with a few of them lasting until the BR blue period. Plus, if you model the immediate post-war era, there's a very short period of time (1947-1948) when they would have been part of post-war Big Four trains. But, realistically, these will be most at home in BR steam and transition era trains. As far as liveries are concerned, all of the black (Class B) liveries appear to be correct for any time in that period. But... the black ones all have ladders, which weren't part of the original build - they were progressively added later. So, while there may have been some with ladders earlier on, these models are probably best suited to a late crest (or even early blue) train. Alternatively, you could try removing the ladders to give the wagon an earlier appearance. Or, just invoke Rule 1. It's not a huge stretch to hypothesise that your train contains one of the first to have a ladder added. The Class A wagons are a bit more of a mixed bag. The Esso and Regent Class A wagons are correct, both in livery (silver) and design (no ladders) for their early life in private ownership. But these would have become progressively less common as time wore on, as ladders would have been added, some would have been converted to Class B, and many of those remaining as Class A would have been repainted pale grey during the mid-1960s rather than staying silver. So these probably slot best into an early crest train, although some would still have been around later. The Shell/BP Class A wagon is correct for post-1963, when pale grey was allowed as a base colour as well as silver. It also has ladders, which, again, marks it out as a later wagon. So this is spot on for a late transition era train, or even early (pre-TOPS) blue, but wouldn't have been seen at all before 1963. The Shell-Mex wagon is the wrong livery for any era - it's a pre-war livery on a post-war model. There are photos of this wagon in this livery in preservation, so if you model the preservation scene then this would be appropriate. But it isn't correct for an in-service wagon at any time. The Lobitos wagon is either completely wrong or potentially right. Take your pick. The stone (beige) colour is wrong for a post-war wagon carrying volatile flammable oils (they had to be silver, until pale grey was allowed in 1963, as above). But... it could possibly have been carrying non-volatile heavy oil (uch as lubricating oil), for which there was no prescribed colour scheme. In practice, though, such oils were typically carried in Class B tanks, and this is a Class A. So it's not impossible, but it is unlikely. And unlike the Shell-Mex wagon, this doesn't appear to be a preservation era livery either. So unless someone does come up with documentary or photographic evidence of this livery carrying heavy oil in an Air Ministry tank, I'd say this is probably too inaccurate for anything other than a heavy dose of Rule 1.
  4. It is a nice looking wagon, and I suspect that's precisely why Dapol included it! But, in real life, I think these would have been less common (and probably more localised to London and the Southeast) than the other liveries. Berry Wiggins was a fairly small player in the oil industry, compared with the other brands modelled in this range, so their wagons would have been correspondlingly fewer in number.
  5. I usually pay on the door (other than for bigger shows where there is a significant benefit to me to buy in advance), and if given the choice I'll pay by card. That leaves the cash in my pocket for the traders, not all of which do take cards.
  6. I think you probably should get in touch with the club and explain the situation. I hope you're right that they wouldn't book the layout if they knew, but obviously they're not going to know unless someone tells them. And I think this is behaviour that needs to be addressed, it's completely unacceptable and all of us have a responsibility to do our best to ensure it doesn't flourish.
  7. Yes, that would be fine. I don't have a an exhaustive list of trusted ticket vendors, if I came across one I hadn't seen before then I'd assess it based on how professional it looked.
  8. As others have said, it depends on several variables: 1. The size of the show. 2. How soon in advance I know I'm definitely going. 3. What benefits I get by booking in advance. 4. How reliable and user-friendly the ticket booking system is. For smaller shows, I typically don't bother. For big shows, I will book in advance once I know I'm definitely going (which usually isn't until a few days before) provided I get a worthwhile discount for doing so, and the ticketing platform is one I trust (eg, SeeTickets or EventBrite). I won't book in advance online via a ticketing platform that I don't trust, and I certainly won't if they expect to post the tickets to me rather than allowing me to print them off at home! (Although tickets by post is, now, pretty much a thing of the past, and rightly so). On the topic of benefits for booking in advance, the one that matters most to me is getting a discount. I don't live close enough to the big shows I go to for the early admission to be useful - even if I could be out of the house early enough to be at the NEC for 9.30am, the chances of dragging my teenage daughter (who usually comes with me) out of bed that early are close to zero. Equally, queue-jumping isn't a huge benefit as by the time I do get there (which is more likely to be around 11am) the initial queue will mostly have dispersed.
  9. I bought a car just over three years ago from a well-known online second hand car sales outfit that you will hear incessently advertised on TV and radio. I'd originally lined up to buy a near-identical car from their rival online second hand car sales outfit that you will hear incessently advertised on TV and radio. But that one only accepted payment by bank transfer. And, since it exceeded the transaction value limit (and they didn't offer the option to split it), my bank refused to make the payment as the recipient wasn't in their list of trusted beneficiaries. Which, as an anti-fraud measure, may be useful, but it made it impossible for me to buy the car from that seller. So I went to the other online car sales outfit, and discovered that they, rather more helpfully, offered both the ability to pay in multiple goes but also by using multiple cards. So I paid £20,000 by Amex (their transaction limit, at least on my account) and the balance by Tesco clubcard credit card. Financial rules can be both inconsistent and maddening, at times.
  10. I'd be surprised if Peco knew that Hornby were planning it. Heljan certainly didn't. And Hornby has a track record (pun intended, sorry, I'll get my coat!) of keeping things under wraps and then announcing something which duplicates other manufacturers' projects. Trains on Film, anyone? Hornby's TT:120 logo was registered as a trade mark in October 2022, which was after Peco announced their TT:120 range. But although they both use similar typography, with the two Ts overlapping, the Hornby logo as registered includes the red and yellow surround which distinguishes it from Peco's version. And, although the letters are almost identical, the numbers aren't. I would be more inclined to think that Hornby copied the overlapping-T aspect from Peco and then modified it a bit, with the addition of colour and a slightly different typeface for the digits, in order to create a logo that was registerable as original.
  11. It's simply TT everywhere else, because nowhere else used TT to mean 3mm/1ft. Peco introduced the name TT:120 for British outline stock constructed to 1:120 scale when they announced their entry into the market in 2022, about six months before Hornby did. Heljan also announced a TT:120 range in mid-2022, predating Hornby's announcement. So Hornby didn't invent the term, they simply followed what had already been used by other manufacturers. Heljan referenced Peco in their initial press relase, so it looks as if Peco invented the label. https://peco-uk.com/blogs/news/tt-120launch https://www.Heljan.co.uk/post/no-compromises-british-outline-1-120-tt-is-here
  12. The aspect of the comment I was quoting on which subsequent comments cast doubt is the assertion that they're not selling to existing modellers, not that they are selling to new entrants. I think it's fairly clear that TT:120 has been a commercial sucess, it's just not entirely clear where that success has come from.
  13. If true (and I note subsequent comments which cast some doubt on this statement), then that's exactly what Hornby want. They want TT:120 to open up new markets not cannibalise their existing OO market. It's also exactly what the bobby as a whole needs; a new entry point for those not previously involved in it. I'm one of the people who's unlikely ever to do anything in TT:120, precisely because I have neither the space nor the time to work on different projects in multiple scales (and I'm already too committed to OO to drop that). But I hope TT:120 succeeds for a different demographic of modellers. I'm looking forward to seeing TT:120 layouts starting to turn up on the exhibition circuit alongside the other scales.
  14. I suppose that's a consequence of the fairly detailed internal moulding, with the doors clearly visible inside as well as outside. Most models of open wagons skim over that somewhat, with internal moulding limited to a fairly basic representation of the planks, but without any doors. The simplest way to get a fully detailed internal mould is to do the sides separately and then assemble them, rather than doing the body as a single piece. But then you do run the risk of the assembly coming apart if you put too much stress on it. As an aside, that's also an illustration of why the common expectation that open wagons should be cheaper than vans is misplaced. There may be a bit less plastic in an open wagon than there is in a van. But a van rarely needs any internal detail, so it's a simpler design to create and produce. And it's the design work you're paying for, not the plastic.
  15. That's a good question, and my limited Googling so far hasn't turned up a definitive answer. But all the pages I've read which talk about fish vans suggest that they were used interchangeably, the 1/801s were simply a later variant that suplemented the existing 1/800 stock rather than having a more specific use.
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