Skinnylinny Posted April 2, 2018 Author Share Posted April 2, 2018 Still no work on the bogies and underframes, I'm afraid, but I have built up the basic bodyshell of the lavatory composite and cut out and started work on the sides of the full-third and full-first. With these longer coaches, the bottom "ridge" of the beading is rather long and flexible, so can require much adjustment to make sure it's all where it should be. If the coach isn't built very carefully this can lead to a wavy bottom (!) so I'm pondering possible ways to avoid this. My current thoughts include a fold-over edge, held on by a few small tags, that could be folded over the bottom of the coach side for alignment, then trimmed off afterwards. Experiments will happen! Meanwhile, have a progress picture. My plan is to draw up the bogie sides to scale this evening, then try to turn them into a kit. This will probably be the most fiddly bit of design I've had to do so far. Wish me luck! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Still no work on the bogies and underframes, I'm afraid, but I have built up the basic bodyshell of the lavatory composite and cut out and started work on the sides of the full-third and full-first. With these longer coaches, the bottom "ridge" of the beading is rather long and flexible, so can require much adjustment to make sure it's all where it should be. If the coach isn't built very carefully this can lead to a wavy bottom (!) so I'm pondering possible ways to avoid this. My current thoughts include a fold-over edge, held on by a few small tags, that could be folded over the bottom of the coach side for alignment, then trimmed off afterwards. Experiments will happen! Meanwhile, have a progress picture. IMG_20180402_190017993.jpg My plan is to draw up the bogie sides to scale this evening, then try to turn them into a kit. This will probably be the most fiddly bit of design I've had to do so far. Wish me luck! Good luck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 My suggestion would be to have something like a 10 mm strip top and bottom of the mouldings but with a set of thin slots separating them for the piece you want. If the tags holding the wanted and unwanted bits are thin enough it should be difficult to cut off after glueing 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted April 2, 2018 Author Share Posted April 2, 2018 That's roughly what I was thinking of, yes. The top isn't too bad - there's plenty of beading to help hold its shape. It's just the bottom where there's one long narrow strip, which is quite flexible. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted April 2, 2018 Author Share Posted April 2, 2018 I think I have the bogie design mostly sussed now, though going from this: to this: took some doing! The central cross-member may gain extra "legs" towards the front and back, to strengthen the bogie, though this will have to wait until after trial-cutting and experimentation. The cross-member is designed to accept an M3 nut and bolt, with the expectation of the nut being secured amongst the layers of the chassis. The bogie may also get a thin card overlay to hide the joints - it depends how badly these show after painting.Finally, while working on the bogie design, I have been fiddling about with some paints on a spare coach side, after priming it: I know the Stroudley four-wheelers didn't receive this livery in service, but it still shows how smart the livery looks! I've used Vallejo Model Color acrylics (70.872 chocolate brown and 70.951 white (matt)) over Humbrol Acrylic Primer. I don't know what colour to paint the droplights, however. Question for the class? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 ...... I don't know what colour to paint the droplights, however. Question for the class? The Caledonian ones were varnished mahogony Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Well, I am fully persuaded by those 48' coach bodies. And the bogies are coming along well. I generally use a sort of 'red leather' colour for painting drop lights, to give a reddish brown. Again, well done, and keep up the good work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted April 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) The Caledonian ones were varnished mahogony Jim This seems a common choice.Not that there’s anything “common” about the Caley! Edited April 3, 2018 by Regularity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Here’s one I made earlier, from varnished mahogany, in big scale. Sticklers will notice that it’s cut from a single piece of veneer, so the grain runs the wrong way on the sides! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Here’s one I made earlier, from varnished mahogany, in big scale. Sticklers will notice that it’s cut from a single piece of veneer, so the grain runs the wrong way on the sides! Confirmation I'm not a stickler, then. Very nice job! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) Bogie Carriages of the London, Brighton & South Coast Railway, Gould, contains details of selected Sets for 1908. Typically they show a combination of the 48’ vehicles and the post 1905 54’ rebuilds. Train 78 1243 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild 497 Lav. Composite Dia. 90 48’ 1901 Billinton 41 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1895 Billinton 1178 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild Train 79 407 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild 118 Tri-Composite Dia. 99 48’ 1903 Billinton 429 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1895 Billinton 1172 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild Train 80 445 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild 38 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1895 Billinton 43 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1895 Billinton 368 Third Brake Dia. 166 54’ 1907 Rebuild Train 81 1182 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild 432 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1895 Billinton 486 Lav. Composite Dia. 90 48’ 1900 Billinton 493 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild 210 Lav. Composite Dia. 90 48’ 1901 Billinton - Third Brake Train 82 376 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild 62 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1895 Billinton 183 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1904 Billinton - Third Brake Train 83 1245 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild 1214 Third Dia. 161 48’ 1895 Billinton 57 Lav. Second 138 Lav. First Dia. 51 48’ 1901 Billinton 444 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild Train 84 1183 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild 101 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1902 Billinton 427 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1895 Billinton 482 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild Train 85 446 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild 481 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1895 Billinton 505 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1903 Billinton 483 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild Train 86 473 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild 431 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1895 Billinton 430 Composite Dia. 88 48’ 1895 Billinton 1145 Third Brake Dia. 168 54’ 1908 Rebuild Train 87 – Newhaven Boat Train 91 Second Brake 54’ 1907 Elliptical Stock 145 Lav. Composite Dia.105/6 56’ 1907 Elliptical Stock 151 Lav. Composite Dia.105/6 56’ 1907 Elliptical Stock 526 Composite Dia. 107 56’ 1907 Elliptical Stock, 10’ w/b bogies 527 Composite Dia. 107 56’ 1907 Elliptical Stock, 10’ w/b bogies 130 Lav. Composite Dia.105/6 56’ 1907 Elliptical Stock 146 Lav. Composite Dia.105/6 56’ 1907 Elliptical Stock 191 Brake Van Dia. 234 48’ 1907 Elliptical Stock No. 57 is listed as a Dia. 88 48’ Billinton Composite of 1895 EDIT: Formatting Edited April 3, 2018 by Edwardian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) Hmmmm, looks like a Dia. 168 54' Brake 3rd ought to be the next thing I should go hunting for drawings of, followed by a Dia. 88 48' Composite, which would allow about 7-8 of those sets to be made up... by which point, hopefully the Hacklab's big laser cutter should be up and running, so I can make a start on cutting my layout baseboards!That's a very interesting list, Edwardian, and thank you. Interesting that my thought of just running one of each type of coach would seem to be unlikely unless I were to find a set that had one of each. That being said, with only about 3 coaches' length of platform, I might have to omit the full first on my layout except in case of a prestige train... Edited April 3, 2018 by Skinnylinny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Hmmmm, looks like a Dia. 168 54' Brake 3rd ought to be the next thing I should go hunting for drawings of, followed by a Dia. 88 54' Composite, which would allow about 7-8 of those sets to be made up... by which point, hopefully the Hacklab's big laser cutter should be up and running, so I can make a start on cutting my layout baseboards! That's a very interesting list, Edwardian, and thank you. Interesting that my thought of just running one of each type of coach would seem to be unlikely unless I were to find a set that had one of each. That being said, with only about 3 coaches' length of platform, I might have to omit the full first on my layout except in case of a prestige train... Gould has a number of reduced scale drawings of the body sides, include the 54' Third Brakes to diagram 168 and the missing 48' composite to diagram 88. The 48' and 54' drawings you have give you the ends and other details, so I should think you could manage by re-scaling the D88 and D168 drawings? I will send these over to you today. I think it would be great if you could produce these two, as it opens the way for many of the known sets. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 That'd be fantastic, thank you. I already have to re-scale the drawings when I import them into SketchUp (my CAD software of choice for laser stuff), so no worries about them being to a different scale, as long as the windows and doors are in roughly the right places! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 That'd be fantastic, thank you. I already have to re-scale the drawings when I import them into SketchUp (my CAD software of choice for laser stuff), so no worries about them being to a different scale, as long as the windows and doors are in roughly the right places! Great. I'll scan and PM 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Here’s one I made earlier, from varnished mahogany, in big scale. Sticklers will notice that it’s cut from a single piece of veneer, so the grain runs the wrong way on the sides! To this, I quote my usual motto when it comes to railway modelling: if the end result looks good, who cares how you got there? Great work Nearholmer! Looks good either way! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Linny, you have a PM 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 You have another PM. This time with the attachments! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Please 'scuse my interruption: 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Please 'scuse my interruption: LBSCR A1 (GSR).jpg It seems to me that Bradley's RCTS volume in error in listing, IIRC, 11 Terriers for which buyers could not be found and that, therefore, were scrapped. I know for a fact that the WNR obtained one. It would not surprise me to learn that the GSR had, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 I keep trying to tell myself that I don't need another Terrier... I already have several small tank engines... but that *does* look rather nice... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 You know you want one... So... we have 11... So: One to the W&SR (Wimbledon & Sutton Railway) Six to the LGWR (Littlehampton, Goring & Worthing Railway - Two rebuilt to 'Fairlie's Patent' to form No.8 'Goliath', Two rebuilt as a Garratt - 'Peacock' - one rebuilt with larger bunker and one left as-was.) That leaves us with four... One to the KLR. One to the WNR. Two to the GSR! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 (And in keeping with the Discworld naming convention, could either be named Wuffles after the patrician's beloved wire-haired terrier, or Gaspode, another small dog, although as Gaspode is rather a mongrel, perhaps I should consider changing the cab to a Wainwri-I mean, GSR standard style...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 Please 'scuse my interruption: LBSCR A1 (GSR).jpg Now that *would* be a nice thing to see in Train Simulator! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (And in keeping with the Discworld naming convention, could either be named Wuffles after the patrician's beloved wire-haired terrier, or Gaspode, another small dog, although as Gaspode is rather a mongrel, perhaps I should consider changing the cab to a Wainwri-I mean, GSR standard style...) If you used the current Dapol/Hornby A1/A1X hybrid, it would certainly qualify as a mongrel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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