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The big  problem with history writing is using published information in the first place.   Ashfield and Pick were great PR men from the private sector.   Even in Combine days they were under attack from shareholders and in LPTB days from stockholders!   The idea of LPTB was based on the unification of Berlin's transport which went the municipal way not that of the private companies.   Despite the post-war division and reunification of Germany just look at today's BVB and how it is tackling climate change to 2040 in a controlled financial way.   The municipal way is far more transparent as the ratepayers are directly involved and their voting power politically more important than share/stockholders.   Our politicians went the wrong way in 1933 as probably due to the investment in the Underground being so great and its further expansion necessary coupled with the London Pooling with the still private railway companies.   To get some measure of what exactly went on in the 1930's one needs to have seen the LPTB internal memoranda of how departments had to meet the Board's dictates which quite frankly were just rubber stamped by the county representatives.   (Before LPTB these counties held greater power over the Combine activities which Pick resented.)   There was quite a lot of frustration in the ranks and with the unions but Mr. Thomas controlled T&T in a firm but fair way and why his management succeeded in not having the industrial unrest that the Central Bus dept. had.   Fortunately, in the work with which I was involved with the London Tramway History Group, there were a lot of memos and reports that 'came out of the woodwork', were read and noted, and then put back!   Hence there is a lot of detail on the trams that has never been published either because authors were not aware or conveyed their personal views both pro and con.   I just use my notes as background to why I go about showing detail for modellers to use to suit the era they want to portray.   I concentrate on LPTB/LTE because that is the era of my upbringing.   To go back beyond 1933 would bring me into coupled cars, single deck E/1s and front exit E/2s and I don't really want to go there although so very interesting.

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fantastic, I think the history group tomes are much more informative, like I say I have somewhere upwards of 25 books on LT trams alone and most are pictorial volumes really or later days of the system and yes many though not all do have a bias which is fine but not overly helpful there are some reasonable insights.

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Thanks for that very comprehensive reply Colin. Can't remember where I got the idea that ticket boxes were post war but if I come across the source again I'll ignore it....

 

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On 19/01/2021 at 10:16, coline33 said:

I have now started feeling the delays in getting parts because the lockdowns have created backlogs of outstanding orders placed last year.   The work on EH 92 will be delayed.   It was fitted with white metal life guards, front and side, and trays.   The trays are in good order but not the guards.   The EHs lost their side guards on coming south side so these have had to be cut free.   The front guards were damaged so as they so firmly fixed they were broken off and the area filed flat to take etched three bar guards.   I have been alerted to a lengthy wait for delivery of my order for these.   I continue to otherwise detail, repaint and overhaul the trucks.

 

In the meantime, I have added CCT E1 384 to the workshop.   This car was built by someone unknown as 384 and purchased by the late Gerald Warner to get his layout going.   Feeling it was not to his standard so did not want to detail it further, I bought it to fill a service 42 schedule slot for a then impending exhibition.   Having dressed for the 42s it did its job for the first day until a junior who we had welcomed to help us decided to ignore the instruction that any car to be removed MUST be held by the trucks NOT the body.   In wanting to help pack away 384 was picked up by body.   The trucks fell to the floor and our junior being startled then dropped the body!!!   I had no time to do a major repair overnight so we were one 42 missing in the sequence in which trams passed through "West Croydon" on the second day.   For the next exhibition its place was taken by a further new model 375.   384 was examined but nothing further was done until now.   It will get new mechs now that I have standardised for Class E/1 and once the Kingsway Models tram advert set arrives - yes it is on its way - the final correction will be made, some tidying up to be done and it will be available for service.

 

More will follow as I have to break for coffee!!!

 

  

Hello Coline, any chance of some pics of your mechanisms for us new boys in class, please?

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

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Mechs.   If I repeat anything I have already written here, please forgive me!   I have experienced a number of RTR bogie tram mechs since 1958.   For London bogie cars, KW Trams have reached the best two 4'6" w/b (although one is no longer in production) and one 4' w/b.  So I will start with the top two rows of the attached.   The lower saloon is a Type T and that 'plugs' on to the unit shown with its Brill 22E bogies.   The central dog guard will be affixed to the body not the unit.   For a 'plug' unit with LCC Class 4 bogies there is a picture earlier on in this site.   The rebates in the centre are for clearing the body mounted plough carriers and are of a length that it does not matter if the carrier is off-centre or centred.  The body of EH 92 is shown mid-way to expose the bolsters in the former BEC Nos.11 & 12 kits.   Below this is a pair of the 4'6" w/b mechs currently available which I call the 'silver' version.   Then finally the previous version, no longer available, which I call the 'black' one.   Both pairs are electrically connected to each other so double check that the wires are not crossed over.   One should find that by keeping to the pair as purchased there should be no problem.   The 'silver' mechs are heavier and slightly higher than the 'black' ones.   The height difference can be controlled in the dimensions of a 'plug' unit otherwise one has to accept the slightly higher situation.   The advantage of the higher one is that it gives more space under the platforms for the white metal life guards and trays!   If you have grounding problems when using the 'black' then resort to the etched life guards and trays available.

 

With "West Croydon" a possible for the 2022 season, my Class E have the 'black' version which suits the 4mm. shorter lower saloon and for which I schedule 3 cars in operation and one spare.   My various styles of Class E/1 have the 'silver' mech as 6 cars are scheduled with 2 cars spare.   With at least two Class E/1s going to be switched to non-Croydon services on my "High Road" layout then I have more mechs still to purchase!   Trust the above is a help. 

 

 

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yep, mechs is on the list of things to do, have some Bachy Brills under the Feltham but there is much work to do, wire turned up from Gaugemaster via Amazon so might get something running later if i'm in the mood after work! I do like the look of those mechs though...

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Well some progress is being made whilst I await the medical assessment of my hip and swollen leg.   Although I have failed to be stable enough with a soldering iron to marry the pairs of mechs, I am completing the truck side assemblies.   With EH 92 I have been able to prepare the replacement plain panelled wooden boxes for the incorrect K-ray version that it had.   Now gone to the paint stage it will be some days before fitment.   In the attached photo the top line from left to right shows the three stages.

 

Left hand.   Single width three code lamp part.   Note the K-ray version has a curved back to fit the end curves.   Decide on whether required unaltered or file the lamps to form discs or file the lamps off completely.

 

Middle.   Filed smooth to take rain strip.   Found the perfect strip in Slaters assorted strips.   Glued in place right across leaving ends clear. When dry the ends were cut off flush.

 

Right hand.   For the box to fit properly to the curved end.   The upright strips seen at each side are 1mm. square.   Again affix so the leaving the ends clear.   When dry the ends were cut off flush,   The next move is to remove 1mm, from each strip at the bottom of the box to allow the box to fit over the bottom beading of the curved end.

 

I will continue after the paint dries, on dressing the box and its placement.   

 

E 467's inset destination boxes have had to be replaced as spoilt!   The drawing beneath shows the placing of the rain strip over the aperture.

 

 

E1 destination boxes.JPG

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Progress with improving my leg is slow but I have been able to progress a couple of areas to move on with EH 92 and CCT 384.   I attach a view of the destination boxes available going from left to right.

 

1.   Basic KW Trams E and E1 2-line box with the 3-codes lamps in original position.

2.   Same part with the lamps filed down to discs.

3.   Same part with the lamps completely removed and the finest of Slater's Assorted Strip affixed.   Painted and with destination in        place.

4.   Basic KW Trams metal K-ray 2-line box unmodified, painted and with destination in place.

5.   BEC-Models (Frank Vescoe) 3-line box. 

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Now to the second area.   The replacement mechs for the two cars using KW Trams current LCC m/t units.   Herewith the truck sides painted and fixing points cleaned out.   Note the current mechs (silver top) are slightly higher than the previous version (black top) but do allow more room under the platforms for the life guards and trays.   If you have the black ones then these do fit the 4mm, shorter lower saloon overall length better.   Note not for 2054-2061!    

 

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Well, I have decided to cease scratch and kit building of tram and rail items.   I have taken the decision as if I do get back to full health. my concentration and interest will not return.   Thus, RTR will continue to see me with rail aspects only.   In 00, "Welney Depot" layout based on an extension of the Wisbech & Upwell as operated in the BR era.   In 009, "East Quay" based on a completely rebuilt Rye & Camber primarily as an industrial line serving  a new ship terminal at the mouth of the River Rother with passenger services on sunny days!

 

I wish very one success in developing tram models and regret having to cease my thread without completion which was not far off.  

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I'm sorry to hear that Colin, it has been so interesting to follow but I fully understand. 

good luck with other projects though, look forward to following them.

keep in touch

Tony

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