mvrattler Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 What is this railcar, and are drawings available somewhere ? Kerry 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 It's the LNWR 'Cornwall' when rebuilt with an inspection saloon. I've seen drawings but can't remember where. Change the thread title and you might get more info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 You could try the NRM's search engine in York or the LNWR society they would be where I would start. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Yep. Other loco-inspection saloon combos are available; see Drummond's Bug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 It's the LNWR 'Cornwall' when rebuilt with an inspection saloon. I've seen drawings but can't remember where. Change the thread title and you might get more info. This isn't Cornwall, but one of the several earlier Allan 6' singles that were deployed in their later lives to haul various inspection saloons, which replaced their tenders. Some were allocated to the Engineers' Departments, whilst one was probably reserved for the Chief Mechanical Engineer. One of the locos used was Columbine, which has been preserved, and a Google search comes up with several photos, such as https://www.flickr.com/photos/124446949@N06/36424310752. Cornwall was paired with one of these carriage units and lasted on this duty into the 1920's. There are drawings for the Allan version, with two versions of the carriage units, in R W Rush's British Steam railcars, from Oakwood. Within its pages are a number of equally bizarre Inspection Cars, Not just the LSWR Bug, but three GS&WR examples, LBSCR, GER, L&YR and NBR, not to mention Gazelle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewe North Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 The carriage shown in the photo was the one built for F.W. Webb chief mechanical engineer. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 This isn't Cornwall, Thanks, I'd not realised there were other inspection saloons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) Each disvion had one. Even Northampton had a coach and and loco allocated for the purpose, although not as a single unit. Edited October 7, 2018 by Regularity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I think I remember hearing that no drawings of the coach are known to exist but heres a few photos 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I think I remember hearing that no drawings of the coach are known to exist but heres a few photos22050340_1566946113362727_7013205862887389719_n.jpg31485024_1787634891293847_6727978746340442112_o.jpg31934254_1787624874628182_3099653686792552448_o.jpg42489775_10217364043796915_7608392233942777856_o.jpg I'm intrigued by the apparent narrow to standard gauge arrangement in the foreground of the first photo. Obviously there for a specific purpose, does anyone have any idea what that might have been? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I'm intrigued by the apparent narrow to standard gauge arrangement in the foreground of the first photo. Obviously there for a specific purpose, does anyone have any idea what that might have been? In my ignorance of the location I would assume it was the Crewe works line. Something like 18" gauge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted October 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) In my ignorance of the location I would assume it was the Crewe works line. Something like 18" gauge.Yes.That’s the back of Crewe Works, possibly FWWebb’s house in the background? Edit: I say this based on numerous photos, which usually have the background buildings removed by the photographer, who would also make the dome less glossy, so this is a more interesting photo for showing us what was really there. Edited October 8, 2018 by Regularity 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2018 I wonder what the ride was like especially over pointwork? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted October 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2018 I wonder what the ride was like especially over pointwork?Maybe that’s why the civil engineers used them, as a good test?Don’t forget that this was the LNWR, who had a reputation for a high standard of permanent way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Slightly off-topic, but this NBR Inspection Car is rather fine https://www.flickr.com/photos/124446949@N06/34820825393/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I got my hands on etches for the NBR one a few years ago. It might get built in scale 7 to go with my Carlisle based shunting layout that is in the planning stage. Marc 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Slightly off-topic, but this NBR Inspection Car is rather fine https://www.flickr.com/photos/124446949@N06/34820825393/ That is very appealing, though perhaps rather Steampunk, particularly with that 'dirigible'-shaped water tank in view. The NER used these, but I don't recall seeing one this long! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvrattler Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Many thanks for the help and suggestions. From Sharmans book The London North Western Railway, Plan 61 it is a Crewe rebuilt of 1874. An Ebay search uncovered a CD of The Locomotive Magazine covering many volumes, in pdf format which may have some further information. All help is appreciated. And, yes the NBR inspection loco is ready to clean prior to painting. Kerry 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 That is nice have got any more photos? Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 London Road Models produce kits for 32' and a 30' 1" six wheel inspection saloons. The former is the sigle veranda version, the latter has verandas at each end. They were usually coupled to an older loco no longer powerful enough for revenue earning use but later the Samson class 2-4-0s were used as Engineers motive power. M&L did a kit for the LNWR single loco "Cornwall"coupled with F W Webbs saloon. Later produced by Alan Gibson, the are no longer available AFAIK but still pop up on eBay occasionally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 As has been noted above this is also a task Cornwall laboured at in her later years as seen here And then theres this rather intriguing little carriage which was drawn by rebuilt George England single Carlisle 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Argos Posted October 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 11, 2018 There is another photo of that carriage on the LNWR society's zenfolio site https://lnwrs.zenfolio.com/p309238320 very cute! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Burnham Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Each division had one. Even Northampton had a coach and and loco allocated for the purpose, although not as a single unit. A later L&NWR open-balcony saloon (a 6-wheeler) probably used by the Northampton district engineer survives - see http://www.preservation.kesr.org.uk/coaching-stock/l-nwr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Wonderful vehicles! That last little one with the curved bits at the end is intriguing, because it was clearly arranged to allow the occupants to be able to move from the compartment onto the verandah without climbing down to the ground and up again, and this facility is 'handed'. I wonder if it was used for inspecting tunnels and over bridges, with the cess-side footboards being used. Does anyone know the purpose of the curved bits? Blooming strange shape to select unless for a particular reason. And, why a dropped centre to the frame? was it to keep the roof low, so as to allow a view over it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Does anyone know the purpose of the curved bits? Blooming strange shape to select unless for a particular reason. And, why a dropped centre to the frame? was it to keep the roof low, so as to allow a view over it? Depending upon direction of travel (i) streamlining to cut down wind resistance and (ii) a spoiler to provide vital down force when cornering at speed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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