jwealleans Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 51 minutes ago, Aire Head said: Holes were cut into the side to stop overloading but you wouldn't see that in the 1950s setting for this model. No, entirely agree. My point was that you shouldn't see these on that traffic because of the potential for overloading. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) Morning Tom, LMS built medium (3 plank) goods - Built unfitted with 2 shoe Morton brakes, or fitted with clasp brakes on the "J" hanger chassis. The Ratio or Parkside kits - (PC10 in the old Parkside range but it appears to have been dropped and the old Ratio kit moved into the Parkside range ?) are the unfitted version but can be converted to the fitted as built version by cross kitting with the Parkside J hanger chassis. Those later vac braked by BR had 4 shoe Morton brakes. For BR built medium goods (steel bodied) - Parkside PC45, all built fitted, the first 2800 with clasp brakes (as per the kit), the last 1200 with 4 shoe Morton brakes. The GWR had two 3 plank wagons with diagonal strapping and a central sack truck door, ostensibly for carrying DX containers. One was photographed by Don Rowland at Millerhill in 1963 (sans container) so it went past Sodor at least once :-) (W36459 and W36460). No info on RCH 3 planks, sorry. (I've never looked !) Edited July 31, 2020 by Wheatley 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted July 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2020 13 hours ago, Hawin Dooiey said: Does 1 loco per wagon class as overloading? 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 3 hours ago, Wheatley said: Morning Tom, LMS built medium (3 plank) goods - Built unfitted with 2 shoe Morton brakes, or fitted with clasp brakes on the "J" hanger chassis. The Ratio or Parkside kits - (PC10 in the old Parkside range but it appears to have been dropped and the old Ratio kit moved into the Parkside range ?) are the unfitted version but can be converted to the fitted as built version by cross kitting with the Parkside J hanger chassis. Those later vac braked by BR had 4 shoe Morton brakes. For BR built medium goods (steel bodied) - Parkside PC45, all built fitted, the first 2800 with clasp brakes (as per the kit), the last 1200 with 4 shoe Morton brakes. The GWR had two 3 plank wagons with diagonal strapping and a central sack truck door, ostensibly for carrying DX containers. One was photographed by Don Rowland at Millerhill in 1963 (sans container) so it went past Sodor at least once :-) (W36459 and W36460). No info on RCH 3 planks, sorry. (I've never looked !) Afternoon Wheatley (shame we never got our yearly catch up at York this year!) I'll start with the LMS ones I think. The four plank sounds interesting and I'll have a look out for that one. Is Bachmann's unfitted variant the same as ratios? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hawin Dooiey said: Is Bachmann's unfitted variant the same as ratios? Sort of. The body is fine (and blends in well with the Parkside and Ratio versions) but a quick google suggests that they all have the 4 shoe chassis with vac cylinder. Mine had its chassis replaced with a Parkside one years ago, which is why I'm not sure ! I like Medfits, I have at least 8 so far :-) Yes I missed our natter and annual distraction of IF while he's trying to shunt ! Next year hopefully. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Wheatley said: Sort of. The body is fine (and blends in well with the Parkside and Ratio versions) but a quick google suggests that they all have the 4 shoe chassis with vac cylinder. In theory, could you just snip off the offending parts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Hawin Dooiey said: In theory, could you just snip off the offending parts? That's what I did Just make sure you snip off the right side! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Aire Head said: That's what I did Just make sure you snip off the right side! haha...plenty of spare Vac cylinders then! I'm guessing it's Morton Gear, i.e brake shoes on one side only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, Hawin Dooiey said: haha...plenty of spare Vac cylinders then! I'm guessing it's Morton Gear, i.e brake shoes on one side only. Yeah should be on the side with the clutch. The 5 Plank below is one of mine which uses a Bachmann chassis with an Airfix body. 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Really appreciate the advice regarding stone wagons. I've therefore ordered 3 of these (at £9.50 each it seemed a good price with Bachmann's current pricing). 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 Sunday morning musings. It's no secret that my favourite class of 0-6-0 tender loco, is the Caledonian 812 (for obvious reasons) and I'm very much looking forward to the Bachmann model being released (having been commissioned by 'Rails of Sheffield'. Ffarquhar is set in the Autumn of 1959, which so happens to be during the period that Book 15 'The Twin Engines' set. For some reason (possibly to add a bit of colour) illustrator John T. Kenney gave the twins (on arrival) a semi attempt at BR mixed traffic livery (notice the lack of boiler band lining). As far as I'm aware, 812s never received lining, all being plain black. As my intention was depict the North Western Region in a real world sense, I was going to depict Douglas (working in with 'The Fellgoods') in unlined black (a little grubby) with a No. 10 on the tender. However nostalgia is tempting me and I'd considered lining.....decisions..... 8 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Hawin Dooiey said: Sunday morning musings. It's no secret that my favourite class of 0-6-0 tender loco, is the Caledonian 812 (for obvious reasons) and I'm very much looking forward to the Bachmann model being released (having been commissioned by 'Rails of Sheffield'. Ffarquhar is set in the Autumn of 1959, which so happens to be during the period that Book 15 'The Twin Engines' set. For some reason (possibly to add a bit of colour) illustrator John T. Kenney gave the twins (on arrival) a semi attempt at BR mixed traffic livery (notice the lack of boiler band lining). As far as I'm aware, 812s never received lining, all being plain black. As my intention was depict the North Western Region in a real world sense, I was going to depict Douglas (working in with 'The Fellgoods') in unlined black (a little grubby) with a No. 10 on the tender. However nostalgia is tempting me and I'd considered lining.....decisions..... I'd copy the Kenney picture if it were me. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted August 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2020 If it was me I’d go for the lined livery Tom - I always thought it suited the Twins nicely. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kumata Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Hawin Dooiey said: my intention was depict the North Western Region in a real world sense ... nostalgia is tempting me and I'd considered lining These are the two points you need to reconcile, so the question is, can the semi-BR lining be reasonably explained in a real-world sense (to your own satisfaction)? Is there any reason why their previous controller might have had them lined that way? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted August 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) What we see in the picture is the painters just putting the finishing touches to the Midland-style tender number. Given the geography, my guess is one's an ex-Midland man, the other ex-LNWR, so they struck a deal... That's definitely pots of red and cream paint there - the third one is presumably grey. Edited August 2, 2020 by Compound2632 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csalem Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: What we see in the picture is the painters just putting the finishing touches to the Midland-style tender number. Given the geography, my guess is one's an ex-Midland man, the other ex-LNWR, so they struck a deal... That's definitely pots of red and cream paint there - the third one is presumably grey. Unfortunately they are shown as having arrived with the lining while still having BR logo. Otherwise it would be a nice explanation that it was added on Sodor: 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knuckles Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Maybe paint them unlined black but later when they recieve their numbers add the lining then or on separate models? The quandry has been in my smokebox too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Boco_D1 Posted August 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2020 In regards to the lining on the twins Donald should also have 57646 and 57647 for Douglas painted on their sides. But the engine’s ‘lost’ their numbers so somewhere along the line a pot of black paint has come out. Maybe the lining was part of the plan to cover up which engine should have arrived, so it didn’t look like a deliberate attempt to cover the numbers up with a splat of black paint. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted August 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2020 Presumably there’s a couple of smokebox numberplates in a hedge to the North East... 4 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, Corbs said: Presumably there’s a couple of smokebox numberplates in a hedge to the North East... Probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritishGypsum4 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Boco_D1 said: In regards to the lining on the twins Donald should also have 57646 and 57647 for Douglas painted on their sides. But the engine’s ‘lost’ their numbers so somewhere along the line a pot of black paint has come out. Maybe the lining was part of the plan to cover up which engine should have arrived, so it didn’t look like a deliberate attempt to cover the numbers up with a splat of black paint. So the lining would make it obvious that black paint has been used to cover up the numbers. Though even without the lining the fresh black paint would stand out like a sore thumb 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 An enjoyable afternoon has been had discussing all things railways with two good friends. @jwealleans became a bit more familiar with the Ffarquhar Stone Traffic and Motive Power. 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 Nearing the priming stage... 13 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 10 hours ago, fastforwardtt said: https://www.shapeways.com/product/F55CNRH84/oo-ho-station-signs-type-2-long-x2?optionId=131553869&li=shops are you going use these station signs? No, probably not seen as they are based on the TV series. Plenty of more realistic versions available from manufacturers out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 The lining is done in the same manner as Tri-ang did on their 3F tender locos. Again the prototypes were plain black. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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