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Next up in the sequence is a train I haven’t run before, but which the new fiddle yard has enabled me to put together from loose stock, the 1000 Leeds- King's Cross which had portions from Bradford and Halifax. This is one of those GN trains with lots of brakes caused by the portions and by its subsequent workings, in this case 4 in an 11 coach train. Normally I mix blood and custard with maroon stock, but following Robert Stokes’ comments I thought I’d see if I could create it entirely from maroon stock. I just about managed it but had to replace one BSO with a BSK - I guess this might have happened on occasion although the reduced seating would have created problems. Here it is headed by A1, 60123, HA Ivatt. 
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Many of the coaches are also in the York/Hull train that I’ve already shown. They have York/ Hull Roof boards on one side and Leeds/ Bradford roof boards on the other. The last two coaches are from Halifax and I can’t find roof boards for them -does anyone know of a source?

 

The mark ones are all Hornby / Bachmann RTR, but the two catering cars are more interesting.

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A Thompson RSP and RF made from Comet sides on Bachmann donors.

 

Here is the video.

 

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Today we have the up morning Talisman headed by A3, 60039, Sandwich. This set worked a round trip in a day when the Morning Talisman was first introduced in 1957. By 1938 it had been extended back to Perth and renamed ‘The Fair Maid’, and was then formed of a separate set. I’ve chosen to model it in its 1957 formation - mainly to economise on rolling stock!

 

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The train has some notable catering cars:

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A twin FO From the pre war streamlined ‘Coronation’ made from a Mailcoach kit, and

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a Thompson TF/SO pair made from Comet/Southern Pride sides on Bachmann donors.

 

Here is a video. I tried a different angle for this but it shows the fiddle yard and part of the station area in the background, so I’m not sure that it works. What do others think?

 

 

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Today we can see the push pull set leaving platform one with C12, 67374. This train is based on that which ran on the Ally Pally branch in the early ‘50s. I imagine Gresley Jn having two branches. One entering from the south and one from the North. This is the northern one and the duties are shared between this And a Class 105 DMU which will appear in due course (Clive don’t get too excited!). The loco is SE fine cast running on a butchered Bachmann LYR 2-4-2 chassis. The coaches are Hornby and Kirk.

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Sorry about the depth of field and leaning lamppost which has now been corrected. My iPhone seems to struggle on these low level shots. The video is a bit better.

 

 

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1 hour ago, manna said:

G'Day Folks

 

Good layout, anything BR (E) or LNER.

 

Wish I could get my C12 to run as good as yours, back to the drawing board for me.

 

manna

 

Thanks Manna,

 

The C12 benefits from two helping hands. A RTR chassis for the drivers and pickups in the leading coach which are through wired to the loco. This is possible because it’s a push pull set and permanently coupled. I can provide pictures if anyone’s interested.

 

Andy

 

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The first of a couple of Pullman days. This is the up Tyne Tees Pullman as it was in the early ‘60s immediately after the introduction of the Met Cam cars, but still with all steel 1928 brake cars. As you can see I haven’t managed to match Bachmann and Hornby Pullman colours. Does anyone have a good trick for this?

 

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most of the train is fairly standard Hornby and Bachmann stock, but the leading car is a conversion of one of the earlier Hornby cars to represent car 81 after its conversion to a brake vehicle. This involved removing the docket and fitting Gresley bogies (one of only two ECML Pullman cars AFAIK to receive Gresley bogies).

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Here’s the vid.

 

 

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On 15/12/2019 at 15:38, thegreenhowards said:

Next up in the sequence is a train I haven’t run before, but which the new fiddle yard has enabled me to put together from loose stock, the 1000 Leeds- King's Cross which had portions from Bradford and Halifax. This is one of those GN trains with lots of brakes caused by the portions and by its subsequent workings, in this case 4 in an 11 coach train. Normally I mix blood and custard with maroon stock, but following Robert Stokes’ comments I thought I’d see if I could create it entirely from maroon stock. I just about managed it but had to replace one BSO with a BSK - I guess this might have happened on occasion although the reduced seating would have created problems. Here it is headed by A1, 60123, HA Ivatt. 
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Many of the coaches are also in the York/Hull train that I’ve already shown. They have York/ Hull Roof boards on one side and Leeds/ Bradford roof boards on the other. The last two coaches are from Halifax and I can’t find roof boards for them -does anyone know of a source?

 

The mark ones are all Hornby / Bachmann RTR, but the two catering cars are more interesting.

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A Thompson RSP and RF made from Comet sides on Bachmann donors.

 

Here is the video.

 

What was the make up of this train?

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25 minutes ago, davidw said:

What was the make up of this train?

It changed over the years, but I've chosen to model the summer '58 formation which was:

BSO

CK

BCK

TSO

BSO

RSP

RF

FO

TSO (Bradford)

TSO (Halifax)

BCK (Halifax)

 

All Mark 1 except the RSP/RF pair which I think were Thompsons. The BCK and BSO in the middle seem to be because it split for Hull and Halifax on the return journey (1820 from KGX)

 

 

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As promised we have another Pullman today. This time it’s the Yorkshire Pullman beaded by A1, 60156, Great Central. This is a Bachmann model with modifications to represent the roller bearing examples.
 

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With one exception, the train is formed of Hornby super detailed Pullman Cars. These started with quite a mix of roof colours and have all been weathered with Railmatch roof dirt which has brought the train together. I’ve left the front car with its (off-) white roof and used some powders to give a ‘few days out of works’ look. I’m not sure that this works,  so I’d be grateful for your thoughts. I have made the train from a mix of 6 all-steel 1928 type Pullmans and 5 wooden bodied versions as was typical. I’ve also added corridor connectors, roof boards and a tailboard. I have a headboard somewhere but have temporarily mislaid it!

 

The one exception to standard Hornby is the penultimate car, which is kitchen second, car 107. This had a different window arrangement from the standard Hornby offering, so I set about a Railroad Pullman to cut and shut the side. If you’re interested I’ve written this up on my workbench thread here.

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/135510-coulsdon-works/&do=findComment&comment=3748097

 

For those interested the complete formation I’ve decided on is:

Car 79

Cynthia

Agatha

Car69

Car167

Ursula

Car74

Loraine

Iolanthe

Car107

Car63

 

Several have been renamed using transfers or the excellent Precision labels printed replacement lower body panels. This formation would have been typical of the mid to late 50s when the wooden cars were changing over from being matchboard sided to plated aluminium. I have 2 and 3 respectively, although car 167 was never plated.

 

Here is your daily video.

 

 

Andy

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3 hours ago, thegreenhowards said:

As promised we have another Pullman today. This time it’s the Yorkshire Pullman beaded by A1, 60156, Great Central. This is a Bachmann model with modifications to represent the roller bearing examples.
 

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With one exception, the train is formed of Hornby super detailed Pullman Cars. These started with quite a mix of roof colours and have all been weathered with Railmatch roof dirt which has brought the train together. I’ve left the front car with its (off-) white roof and used some powders to give a ‘few days out of works’ look. I’m not sure that this works,  so I’d be grateful for your thoughts. I have made the train from a mix of 6 all-steel 1928 type Pullmans and 5 wooden bodied versions as was typical. I’ve also added corridor connectors, roof boards and a tailboard. I have a headboard somewhere but have temporarily mislaid it!

 

The one exception to standard Hornby is the penultimate car, which is kitchen second, car 107. This had a different window arrangement from the standard Hornby offering, so I set about a Railroad Pullman to cut and shut the side. If you’re interested I’ve written this up on my workbench thread here.

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/135510-coulsdon-works/&do=findComment&comment=3748097

 

For those interested the complete formation I’ve decided on is:

Car 79

Cynthia

Agatha

Car69

Car167

Ursula

Car74

Loraine

Iolanthe

Car107

Car63

 

Several have been renamed using transfers or the excellent Precision labels printed replacement lower body panels. This formation would have been typical of the mid to late 50s when the wooden cars were changing over from being matchboard sided to plated aluminium. I have 2 and 3 respectively, although car 167 was never plated.

 

Here is your daily video.

 

 

Andy

As to that first car Andy,  I think this is another of those occasions when something which did happen on the prototype is picked up by the camera and made to stand out more than it should. Perhaps a bit more toning down of the roof might do the trick?

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Yesterday I had a visit to the stunning S4 layout, Southwark Bridge. Based on a planned extension from Waterloo towards the city, set in 1912 and fully populated with scale length LSWR train sets this is a truly stunning example of railway modelling with all of the stock kit or scratch built, a working lever frame and requiring a minimum of 10 operators to work it. 
 

Today it’s back to planning for Christmas and time for another update on Gresley Junction. This time we have C2, 62822 on an up outer suburban train formed mainly of Gresley artics. I think the formation of this train is fairly typical of the pre Mark 1 era, but I don’t have any carriage workings, so it’s based on photos and none of them quite match this formation. The carriages themselves are work in progress with the leading pair being based on a Hornby pair and not very accurate while the trailing pair (in teak) are Kirk based on which the under frame needs some work. I’ve seen pictures of Ivatt Atlantics on this type of train in ‘48/49, but this particular one was Grantham based so needs renumbering. I know this was the only example which got a 6xxxx number, but I’m not sure whether any of the other received ‘British Railways’ on the tender; the pictures I’ve seen all have ‘LNER’. Can anyone help me with this? I see this train as standing in while I produce something more accurate, but I’m still rather fond of it as it shrieks ‘Great Northern’.

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and here's the video:

 

 

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3 hours ago, great northern said:

Interrupted yet again by golf club stuff!  Green book also says that by 1959 the only two left at the London end were 2817 and 2828. 2817 went to Sheffield that June, and 2828 was withdrawn on 26 th August

Hi Gilbert,

 

Yes I did mean C1. Although in my defence they were GNR C2s so it’s easy to get confused! I should have read more of the green book before posting. It seems that 62885 also got a 6xxxx number although no smoke box door plate, so ignore what I said earlier.
 

Anyway it looks like none of the Southern engines got ‘British Railways’ on the tender, so I will have to change mine to LNER. I’m inclined to go for 2881, which both Yeadon and BRDatabase show as Kings Cross through to withdrawal in April 1949. I see that green book says that only two were left in the south in 1949, but maybe it didn’t mean very early 1949! Anyway, I’ve got a good picture of it on a rake of artics in 1948 (p83 of East Coast from Kings Cross by Eric Neve) and I think I’ll try to replicate that.
 

Andy

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Today we have the Gresley Jn gas works trip. This is based on photos I’ve seen of the Barnet gas trip with J50s. One Gresley Jn the train arrives in platform 2 and the loco uncoupled.

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Then the loco collects the empties from the gas works siding.

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...and deposits them in the bay platform (1).

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Then she collects the loaded coal and, having detached the brake van, shunts it into the gas works siding.

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She then picks up the empties and the brake van and departs as shown on the video (a good sound chip on this loco from YouChoos).

 

 

Andy

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Today we have the departure of the oil tank train with J6 having had a crew change in the freight loop. 
 

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Here’s the video. I particularly like watching trains cross this run of slips.
 

 

 

I’m away over Christmas, so updates will be less frequent, if at all. A merry Christmas to all Gresley Jn followers.

 

Andy

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Christmas nearly over (for me at least), so back to Gresley Jn. Here we have a class 105 DMU having arrived at Gresley Jn on a branch service.745BF44C-C9E6-4060-8AC3-758B044A26A6.jpeg.bc3c8b323dd5b5c4a6b5de015c6ae111.jpeg


The DMU works alternately with the C12 and push pull on the branch service. It arrives in platform six on the up side, and then shunts across to Platform 1(as shown here) to await departure. I know this sort of operation happened at Hatfield on the Moorgate terminators, so I feel it has a prototypical basis.

 

Here’s a video of the DMU in action while shunting across from platform 6.
 

 

Andy

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Here we have another up train, the 0800 Newcastle-KX. This should have been much earlier in the sequence...but I forgot - sorry! Anyway, it’s the last of the four trains which inhabit the three reversible centre roads in the fiddle yard and which you will see again on their down journey later in the day. The others being The Talisman, The Tyne Tees Pullman (which being short can share a road) and The Yorkshire Pullman.

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The most interesting vehicle on this train is the triplet dining set from the pre war ‘Silver Jubilee’ which you can see in the video. The rest is Mark 1 with some Thompson brakes. The formation is as it was in Winter ‘55/56.

 

Andy

 

 

 

 

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An iconic train today - the Scotch goods. This left King's Cross around 1600 and headed overnight to Scotland. It was fully fitted and kept reasonably short (about 25 vans I think) in order to allow it to travel fast. From inception to mid '50s it was V2 hauled - this is what they were built for, but sometime in the late '50s it switched to Pacific haulage. Anyway, V2's are my favourite steam engine, so I had to have one on the front. It should probably be black as the train switched to pacific power around the time the V2s were painted green, but my only black one is Bachmann and struggles with this train. 60835 is Nucast stuffed with lead and will pull anything I've asked of it.

 

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This picture is in the station (obviously!) and I think reinforces the amount of work needed in this area. I'm working on a Scalescenes station building at present, and when that is finished a major session on this area is called for.

 

This picture gives a view of most of the train snaking round the S curve.

 

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Here's the video which shows the whole train.

 

 

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I've greatly enjoyed the videos and thanks for posting.

 

You raised the question of the C1 with "British Railways" on the tender. I did some research on this a while back having acquired a K's kit for the same, still untouched I'm afraid. Yeadon is our friend here, volume 13, page 51 to be precise. Both 62822 and 62885 carried the BR number and "British Railways" on the tender side, the only ones to do so. There are photos of both locos in this condition, and the following notes may be of interest.

 

62822 was allocated to Grantham from January 1947 until withdrawal on 27th November 1950. She was in Doncaster Works for a light repair from the 4th to 16th February 1949, acquiring the BR number and tender lettering then. In the photo the numbers on both cabside and smokebox plate are clearly with the later, non-curly 6 and also apparently with the taller style of BR (ER) numbers and lettering.  Moreover both loco and tender are unlined. The day before the final special run on 26th November 1950 she had her tender swapped for one with a water scoop off K2 61736, and this was lined, and so looks a bit odd in pictures.

 

62885 was a Sheffield, presumably Darnall loco from16th November 1949, having previously been at Doncaster. A Works visit from 23rd April to 6th May 1948 saw her appear with the BR numbering and lettering on the tender, both loco and tender are unlined. There is no smokebox numberplate. The numbering has the early curly 6 and both this and the tender lettering appear to be in the shorter font, as applied for example to LM locos. Withdrawal was on 23rd January 1950.

 

Please note I don't have hard evidence of the font size, it's simply my judgement from looking at the pictures, which are next to each other in the book.

 

John.

 

P.S. on 62822 the smokebox numberplate sits immediately above the horizontal handrail, and the top lamp bracket is at the top of the smokebox door. On 62885 the top lamp bracket sits just above the handrail.

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Andy,

I seem to remember 266 Down "Scotch Goods" leaving Kings Cross at about 15.00 or even slightly earlier. Of cause mt memory is 73 years old as is the rest of my decrepit body so I might well be wrong.

Regards,Derek

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31 minutes ago, CUTLER2579 said:

Andy,

I seem to remember 266 Down "Scotch Goods" leaving Kings Cross at about 15.00 or even slightly earlier. Of cause mt memory is 73 years old as is the rest of my decrepit body so I might well be wrong.

Regards,Derek

I think it varied over the years from c.1400 to c.1600. I wasn’t even born and don’t have the freight WTT, so I’m relying on photo captions. Gilbert might be able to give us the definitive answer...at least for 1958.

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