RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted August 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2021 3 hours ago, E100 said: I dare say even on DCC that's a lot cheaper for a siding or two where you park it parked up! It would be yes, but that defeats the object of DCC…….as I said above it was merely an observation, I won’t be commenting any further on the subject for fear of pitchforks and burning stakes at sundown. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRail642fan Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 new video of the APT on the Waterman layout with the lights on. and quite a witty response https://fb.watch/7d5FCADHs3/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, WestRail642fan said: new video of the APT on the Waterman layout with the lights on. and quite a witty response https://fb.watch/7d5FCADHs3/ Cant see what was witty about that, it was just an insult. Still, do we care?...... He should be so lucky, lucky, lucky,lucky, He should be so lucky..... Ah such poetry! 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Markwj Posted August 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2021 1 hour ago, WestRail642fan said: new video of the APT on the Waterman layout with the lights on. and quite a witty response https://fb.watch/7d5FCADHs3/ Also struggling with the witty part! Didn’t see much moaning on here having just read back but the irony is the amount of moaning about this forum on the Facebook thread is much more than the moaning on here about the model! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class 158 productions Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, Markwj said: Also struggling with the witty part! Didn’t see much moaning on here having just read back but the irony is the amount of moaning about this forum on the Facebook thread is much more than the moaning on here about the model! Ironic that he posts it on book of the face, one of the biggest froth producers known to man! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 On 05/08/2021 at 14:00, E100 said: Slightly off topic so feel free to split. Very new to DCC - is there such a thing as a cheap slave decoder for the end car purpose that play's nicely with the main decoder and doesn't include all the functionality such as motor control back EMF or is this basically just an accessory decoder? ESU do Lokpilot and Loksound FX decoders which don't have the driving functionality, but in the case of the Lokpilot FX it's dearer than cheap driving decoders if absolute cost is the priority on decoders. I only use ESU and so if I was getting an APT I'd be considering the FX. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Why is it running with the pantograph down? Or even HOW is it running etc. etc? Hardly prototypical........ 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Angus Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Does anyone do figures of reporters throwing up? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Just to go back to the issue of dcc fitting, i think Hornby are falling a long way behind with dcc provision. Bachmann and even Heljan (according to the spec on the 47 and 86/4) are getting on board with dcc functionality, but needing three 8 pin decoders in one train is a poor effort in my book. Rapido apte only needed one (and also eliminated daylight between coaches, and various Bachmann multiple unit sets have electrical connectors between cars, so its not exactly cutting edge stuff. Im eagerly awaiting my APT, but Hornby need to raise their game, they cant rely on their name forever. 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Roddy Angus said: Does anyone do figures of reporters throwing up? Just get modelu to scan you mid-hurl. Prepare for your scan with 12 pints and a large kebab and you should acheive the right look. Best wear some flares though for period authenticity. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class 158 productions Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Ghost of IKB said: Just to go back to the issue of dcc fitting, i think Hornby are falling a long way behind with dcc provision. Bachmann and even Heljan (according to the spec on the 47 and 86/4) are getting on board with dcc functionality, but needing three 8 pin decoders in one train is a poor effort in my book. Rapido apte only needed one (and also eliminated daylight between coaches, and various Bachmann multiple unit sets have electrical connectors between cars, so its not exactly cutting edge stuff. Im eagerly awaiting my APT, but Hornby need to raise their game, they cant rely on their name forever. Very much agreed, when Bachmann units from 2009 have a more sophisticated dcc interface then a new tooled 2021 unit, it is shocking. Hornby could’ve used the VEP coupling? I believe that’s their only conductive coupler (early Brighton belle). Like when compared to the much older Midland and Western Pullman, it is disappointing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellocoloco Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Class 158 productions said: Very much agreed, when Bachmann units from 2009 have a more sophisticated dcc interface then a new tooled 2021 unit, it is shocking. Hornby could’ve used the VEP coupling? I believe that’s their only conductive coupler (early Brighton belle). Like when compared to the much older Midland and Western Pullman, it is disappointing. Hornby have put both 4 and 6 pin conductive couplers on some their Electrotren (and probably other Hornby Int'l brands) models, and that was ten years ago. Pretty much all the Hornby Int'l locos and multiple units now have 21 pin DCC sockets. I guess their market research tells them OO modellers don't want these things...... Edited August 7, 2021 by ellocoloco 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted August 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Roddy Angus said: Does anyone do figures of reporters throwing up? Well it’s not just like the real thing is it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted August 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, ellocoloco said: Hornby have put both 4 and 6 pin conductive couplers on some their Electrotren (and probably other Hornby Int'l brands) models, and that was ten years ago. Pretty much all the Hornby Int'l locos and multiple units now have 21 pin DCC sockets. I guess their market research tells them OO modellers don't want these things...... Or is it Hornby still see the brand as more Train set than scale models? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted August 7, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Class 158 productions said: Hornby could’ve used the VEP coupling? I believe that’s their only conductive coupler (early Brighton belle). On the NDM but not the rest , the articulated bogies would have been a good opportunity for building in robust power couplings too but I guess the cost balance shot up so they went for a compromise to keep it under control. When people are comparing it to the BP, with a quick Google, it’s actually £100 a BP coach compared to £76 an APT coach in the 7 car and £50 per coach for the extension packs. That extra £24- £50 per coach goes a long way in extra bits but how many would afford a £1400 full set? They are balancing costs against their research into market and those whose job depends on it have to decide on the risks 3 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 5 hours ago, Roddy Angus said: Does anyone do figures of reporters throwing up? These were just six some of the very first passengers on the new APT-P. They all reported neausea and the gentleman with his hands up in the air Is still frozen in this very position now, of disbelief as his British Rail coffee spilt all over his milk and dairy products sales figures documents. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
e30ftw Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Advert from the model magazines 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 11 hours ago, The Ghost of IKB said: Rapido apte only needed one (and also eliminated daylight between coaches, and various Bachmann multiple unit sets have electrical connectors between cars, so its not exactly cutting edge stuff. The engineering needed to get the articulated inter-car connectors to work on the Rapido APT-E is pretty mind boggling as, just like an APT-P, they need to withstand both curving and tilting of both cars at the same time. Bill Schneider, Rapido's engineer, ingeniously got round the tilt problem by ensuring both vehicles tilted to almost the same angle at the same time. Un-prototypical, but I'm probably the only person who'd actually notice it when 'in service'. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon1970 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Just Cancelled my pre-order for a 7-car set. (Noted incidentally the price on the website is about £60 more expensive than when I placed the order) - sorry to Hornby but while I can say the APT is a model I've yearned for since 1980, learning that the driving trailers don't have directional lights as standard would mean more expense - if the trailer HST cars can have directional lighting (DC) surely they could have used the same with this model? I know some might see this as whinging (it isn't) (Honest guv!) - while I would be the first to praise Hornby on this model, I can't justify having to add to a £500 odd expense for the use of lighting on the nose! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 5 hours ago, e30ftw said: Advert from the model magazines Fantastic thank you wow this is just stunning and it is amazing to see that the headlights are now where they should be on the DTS's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted August 8, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, gordon1970 said: Just Cancelled my pre-order for a 7-car set. (Noted incidentally the price on the website is about £60 more expensive than when I placed the order) - sorry to Hornby but while I can say the APT is a model I've yearned for since 1980, learning that the driving trailers don't have directional lights as standard would mean more expense - if the trailer HST cars can have directional lighting (DC) surely they could have used the same with this model? I know some might see this as whinging (it isn't) (Honest guv!) - while I would be the first to praise Hornby on this model, I can't justify having to add to a £500 odd expense for the use of lighting on the nose! Umm, who said it doesn’t? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted August 8, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, gordon1970 said: Just Cancelled my pre-order for a 7-car set. (Noted incidentally the price on the website is about £60 more expensive than when I placed the order) - sorry to Hornby but while I can say the APT is a model I've yearned for since 1980, learning that the driving trailers don't have directional lights as standard would mean more expense - if the trailer HST cars can have directional lighting (DC) surely they could have used the same with this model? I know some might see this as whinging (it isn't) (Honest guv!) - while I would be the first to praise Hornby on this model, I can't justify having to add to a £500 odd expense for the use of lighting on the nose! Time stamp 5.10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 19 hours ago, PaulRhB said: On the NDM but not the rest , the articulated bogies would have been a good opportunity for building in robust power couplings too but I guess the cost balance shot up so they went for a compromise to keep it under control. When people are comparing it to the BP, with a quick Google, it’s actually £100 a BP coach compared to £76 an APT coach in the 7 car and £50 per coach for the extension packs. That extra £24- £50 per coach goes a long way in extra bits but how many would afford a £1400 full set? They are balancing costs against their research into market and those whose job depends on it have to decide on the risks Bachmann Mk2f coaches with DCC decoders fitted retail around £70, so it can and has been done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Markwj Posted August 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2021 8 hours ago, gordon1970 said: Just Cancelled my pre-order for a 7-car set. (Noted incidentally the price on the website is about £60 more expensive than when I placed the order) - sorry to Hornby but while I can say the APT is a model I've yearned for since 1980, learning that the driving trailers don't have directional lights as standard would mean more expense - if the trailer HST cars can have directional lighting (DC) surely they could have used the same with this model? I know some might see this as whinging (it isn't) (Honest guv!) - while I would be the first to praise Hornby on this model, I can't justify having to add to a £500 odd expense for the use of lighting on the nose! It does have directional headlights. They are shown on later videos on Facebook just not on the first video as the driving cars were not chipped at that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Also not sure where the £500 came from to be able to use the lighting on the nose. As already discussed on the previous few pages it needs 1 chip for each Nose/Driving Trailer and 1 for the motorised coaches in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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