TomScrut Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Steadfast said: We've even had the pink one on it for a bit Thanks, that's the one I have! Searching for HOA tends to bring 59s or DB stuff up so I will go with what you say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 8 hours ago, TomScrut said: Other way round I meant. FL currently haul Mendip, DB currently haul Tarmac AFAIK. So I am wondering whether to do FL66 on Mendip (usually 59s) or DB 60 on Tarmac (usually 66). I'd rather have a 60 for DB duties since I do not currently have one. Otherwise it would be a Hattons 66 and I already have 4 of them. The FL option would be then in hope of Dapol doing an appropriate 59 too. suppose it depends when you are modelling. The MRL ones could go behind the 60, the FL66 and a Dapol 59. Tarmac ones behind the 60 or DB 66. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, daz9284 said: when you are modelling Present day so the 60 is too early for Mendip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PeterStiles Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 7, 2020 There's a pic of Class 66 Captain Tom Moore hauling a set of (I believe) these hoppers in CEMEX livery. It popped up whilst I was searching for suitable rolling stock to go behind one. Might have to order one or three of these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 On 07/08/2020 at 11:40, PeterStiles said: There's a pic of Class 66 Captain Tom Moore hauling a set of (I believe) these hoppers in CEMEX livery. It popped up whilst I was searching for suitable rolling stock to go behind one. Might have to order one or three of these. I think all the Cemex HOAs are owned by DB cargo. Do you have a link to the picture as they maybe cut down HYA/ IIA wagons 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, daz9284 said: I think all the Cemex HOAs are owned by DB cargo. Correct. Around half the fleet of HOAs are in Cemex blue and grey, the rest are still in EWS Construction. The handful that are now DB red were mostly (all?) Cemex blue and grey ones. All the Cemex ones had the logo painted out around a year after repainting, as per the decals I produced for the N scale HOAs from Revolution Jo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 On 07/08/2020 at 11:40, PeterStiles said: There's a pic of Class 66 Captain Tom Moore hauling a set of (I believe) these hoppers in CEMEX livery. It popped up whilst I was searching for suitable rolling stock to go behind one. Might have to order one or three of these. As said already I'd say it's more likely to be a HYA/IIA As opposed to a Cemex HOA Which as far as I am aware are not branded like this anymore but are like this: Plenty of pics on Flickr with it with HYA/IIAs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 The different bogies are a clear distinguishing feature - the cut down EWS wagons having the Thrall swing motion 3 piece bogie and the HOAs having TF25 variants. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Mike, that's not an ex EWS HTA, it's an HYA on accomodation bogies. All HTAs cut down into HRAs have been painted red and are in use with DB. All GB HTAs are still full length and maroon. It's still in the works at Shirebrook. It will be reunited with a set of TF25/LN25 bogies before release. The accomodation bogies look to be either a Gloucester or a Davies and Lloyd, with the brake rigging removed. Hope this helps Jo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Thought I was correct regarding the Cemex HOA. Slightly off topic, I'm having a go at converting an EWS HTA into a Tarmac HYA. This includes removing a section of the wagon, adjusting the slope of the end of the wagon, fitting LTF25 bogies, fitting buffers and hook and chain coupling, plus a couple of other alterations along the solebar. Unfortunately no one has ever made a GBRF HYA or IIA coal wagon in OO to make an easy HYA / IIA aggregate wagon 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, daz9284 said: Unfortunately no one has ever made a GBRF HYA or IIA coal wagon in OO to make an easy HYA / IIA aggregate wagon Yeah I'd have thought it would be popular TBH. There aren't that many GBRF branded wagons about in RTR I don't think.. Only 2 I can think of are the Revolution JNA and the Dapol MJA. OTOH there are a lot of wagons available that they haul. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Steadfast said: Mike, that's not an ex EWS HTA, it's an HYA on accomodation bogies. All HTAs cut down into HRAs have been painted red and are in use with DB. All GB HTAs are still full length and maroon. It's still in the works at Shirebrook. It will be reunited with a set of TF25/LN25 bogies before release. The accomodation bogies look to be either a Gloucester or a Davies and Lloyd, with the brake rigging removed. Hope this helps Jo Jo Thanks for that info. Should have read the small print on the solebar. Do the HRAs still have swing motion bogies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Yes @Mike Harvey, running gear, couplings etc as built. Only variation is a small number have buffers and screwlinks fitted to one end, but done in the same style as the buffer fitted conversion on HTAs. Jo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 3 hours ago, TomScrut said: Yeah I'd have thought it would be popular TBH. There aren't that many GBRF branded wagons about in RTR I don't think.. Only 2 I can think of are the Revolution JNA and the Dapol MJA. OTOH there are a lot of wagons available that they haul. Aye they are the only box wagons, then you have the intermodal wagons 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, daz9284 said: Aye they are the only box wagons, then you have the intermodal wagons Oh aye there are at least FEAs from Hattons and Revolution Ecofrets in that respect. But there are a lot of hopper wagons with GBRF written on them that nobody does. The Tanoos ones I'd be mad keen for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, TomScrut said: Oh aye there are at least FEAs from Hattons and Revolution Ecofrets in that respect. But there are a lot of hopper wagons with GBRF written on them that nobody does. The Tanoos ones I'd be mad keen for. Are they the biomass ones on the lynemouth power station flow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, daz9284 said: Are they the biomass ones on the lynemouth power station flow? These: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted August 9, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2020 Hi all, Those biomass hoppers are eyecatching but they operate on a very limited route don’t they? cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Ben A said: Hi all, Those biomass hoppers are eyecatching but they operate on a very limited route don’t they? cheers Ben A. Yeah, just Tyne Dock to lynemouth power station and very rarely to Drax power station. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, daz9284 said: Yeah, just Tyne Dock to lynemouth power station and very rarely to Drax power station. I was going to say I have definitely seen them on the ECML before but it seems rare as you say. Most of the ECML ones are IIAs, either of the Drax variety or the GBRF/Fastline types as far as I can tell. I wasn't aware of how rare they were outside of the Lynemouth-Tyne Dock route they were, it's a shame as I'd expect it would be hard to justify making some but they are cool wagons. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, TomScrut said: I was going to say I have definitely seen them on the ECML before but it seems rare as you say. Most of the ECML ones are IIAs, either of the Drax variety or the GBRF/Fastline types as far as I can tell. I wasn't aware of how rare they were outside of the Lynemouth-Tyne Dock route they were, it's a shame as I'd expect it would be hard to justify making some but they are cool wagons. In the 1.5 years I worked for TPE based at York, I think I saw them on the ECML only two or three times. Now what would be nice is some of the IIA/HOA aggregate hoppers. There are a few liveries these have carried including MRL, Cemex and Touax. Although I wonder if Dapol may do them as they look like the HIAs, which some body differences and different bogies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, daz9284 said: In the 1.5 years I worked for TPE based at York, I think I saw them on the ECML only two or three times. Now what would be nice is some of the IIA/HOA aggregate hoppers. There are a few liveries these have carried including MRL, Cemex and Touax. Although I wonder if Dapol may do them as they look like the HIAs, which some body differences and different bogies These IIAs I presume you mean: Yep I like those too. Another one where I think I'd bite. Too many different IIAs, I have spoken about 3 completely different wagons this morning and they are all IIAs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, TomScrut said: These IIAs I presume you mean: Yep I like those too. Another one where I think I'd bite. Too many different IIAs, I have spoken about 3 completely different wagons this morning and they are all IIAs! Haha, no not them. These: https://images.app.goo.gl/VMnqeC8hfdnGthVB8 Although they are coded as HOAs, MRL have some identical wagons that are coded IIAs. The wagon coding is getting confusing. Same as JGAs as they are aggregate hopper wagons but also cement carrying tankers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, daz9284 said: Haha, no not them. These: https://images.app.goo.gl/VMnqeC8hfdnGthVB8 Although they are coded as HOAs, MRL have some identical wagons that are coded IIAs. The wagon coding is getting confusing. Same as JGAs as they are aggregate hopper wagons but also cement carrying tankers At least those two are similar in style! Yeah the JGA tanks are nice too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, daz9284 said: Now what would be nice is some of the IIA/HOA aggregate hoppers. There are a few liveries these have carried including MRL, Cemex and Touax. Liveries carried to date, in production order are Nacco / MRL Cemex GBRf / Sibelco sand VTG / MRL (HOA) Touax (HOA) Nacco / MRL and Cemex are nigh on identical, produced by Greenbrier over ten years ago. GBRf Sibelco ones a mix of details of the earlier wagons and the later ones coded HOA, plus added roof and extra cutouts housing controls for the roof doors. At a glance, it's noticeable that the label clip has moved and there's a 6 side cutout behind the goods/ pass lever. Touax and VTG HOA coded wagons have these modifications, along with cutouts behind the buffer beams for access to buffer locating bolts, different end profile to the upper side sheets. VTG are the only ones to have bogie mounted brake wheels. In short, each batch has slight variations! And yes, I was looking at a Touax one coupled to an early Nacco / MRL one at work the other day. Jo 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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