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Gwr Henry Pooly vans......what colour please. ??

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Hi there.....I am in the process of scratchbuilding a Pooley gwr ex “bloater” fish van ......the van is from the excellent Paul Bartlett photos  which are very good for detail......the question I would like to know is what colour would these vans be painted in GWR days....would they stay the same as the “bloater” ...brown, or would they have been painted gwr grey or did Pooly have their own colour.......I have looked on the internet And found some BR vans in different colours and read the excellent article “little didcot” by Castle but Do not seem to find what colour they would have been painted in GWR days.......any help would be gratefully received....

regards.......dave Brighty......

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I can't find anything written down on this.

 

I've only found pictures of diagram CC2 Pooley vans in GWR days. One photo from the 1940s has the monogram, the signwriting doesn't look white and the body looks a lighter shade than the frame. so I'll stick my neck out and say I think they were brown.

 

(Ducks quickly and runs away)

 

Will

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On 18/06/2020 at 13:32, Brighty1674 said:

the van is from the excellent Paul Bartlett photos

 

Reference please.

 

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Hi miss prism......here is the van...it looks to me that this could be the BR colour all be it very faded and scruffy, when converted would Pooly have left it brown as per the original colour of the “bloater” or had they their own colour scheme, I have since found a iron mink converted to one of their vans and it is gwr grey with the round all still present, your thoughts would be appreciated.....dave.....

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Thanks.

 

I can find no reference to a Pooley Van conversion from an S9 in GWR times.

 

The PB pic shows a standard BR(W) NPCCS livery of crimson and black ends.

 

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Thank you for your information, much appreciated, looks like it will be a BR Pooly van now  instead of GWR one....I have found the one Will saw the CC2 in Russell wagon book but as you say no sign of a “bloater” conversion for gwr......thank you again........dave Brighty......

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1 hour ago, Miss Prism said:

Thanks.

 

I can find no reference to a Pooley Van conversion from an S9 in GWR times.

 

The PB pic shows a standard BR(W) NPCCS livery of crimson and black ends.

 

 

At the risk of appearing controversial, and given the departmental numbering of DW150267; I’m tempted to say that’s actually the short-lived “gulf red” livery as applied for a relatively short period in the early 1960s.

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1 minute ago, Zero Gravitas said:

 

At the risk of appearing controversial, and given the departmental numbering of DW150267; I’m tempted to say that’s actually the short-lived “gulf red” livery as applied for a relatively short period in the early 1960s.

 

Ok. I know nothing about gulf red application.

 

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14 hours ago, Zero Gravitas said:

 

At the risk of appearing controversial, and given the departmental numbering of DW150267; I’m tempted to say that’s actually the short-lived “gulf red” livery as applied for a relatively short period in the early 1960s.

 

It is the same livery that a number of Ballast Brakes based in the North East were carrying this livery till the late 1980's.

https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerballastbrake/e3efd4828

 

https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerballastbrake/e37382084

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DW150267 was converted in 1961 so could have been originally painted in gulf red.

 

In 1981 it was sold to the Dean Forest Railway.

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"Shirtbutton" logos are only in yellow on brown stock.

 

If the van had been grey it would have had "GW" letters like ordinary freight vans.

 

 

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On 19/06/2020 at 19:49, Miss Prism said:

Thanks.

 

I can find no reference to a Pooley Van conversion from an S9 in GWR times.

 

The PB pic shows a standard BR(W) NPCCS livery of crimson and black ends.

 

Hi there............I am just at the stage with this wagon for painting and as can be seen from some of the quotes it could be that  H .Pooly  did not convert the bloater fish vans from gwr just iron minks .....the question I was asking is is there a definitive reference book or article that confirms when these “bloater” vans were converted to vans for H Pooly into BR stock or I am hoping that perhaps one van may have been converted in gwr days so that I can paint my wagon in gwr colours.......if not I will paint it in BR colours as per Paul Bartlett photos.........your assistance would be appreciated.....

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Hi there......I have decided to paint this wagon in gwr colours but I do appreciate that there is no conclusive proof that there was  one, I have looked through numerous books and it seems that it is possible there were a few converted large covered vans so I am happy to say it is a representation.......the wagon was based on a ken line chassis kit with the rest made from plasticard, brass strip from eileens emporium and the transfers were from black square decals who I find extremely good both in cost and quickness in supplying my order......next job is another Pooly van the small 10;foot planked van as per Mr Russell, GWR wagon book.....

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