long island jack Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 found another couple of photo's anyone got any ideas of flask type in the first photo being pulled by 25204 think its late 70's early 80's 25204 workington 47113 workington A few more for you,getting a bit more modern 31130 workington 37040 workington 37405 workington Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Flynn Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 Again many thanks looking at the 47 113 photo is that one the new Bachmann type on a blue loco? Surprised there is no good books out on these trains and old flask carriers. Hugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Operation Smash Hit, 17th July 1984: http://www.hentis-rail.co.uk/Opsmashit/opsmashhit.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Try this one from 1977. The photo was inside some other documents retrieved from the bin. I think the deck of the wagon has been sheathed in stainless steel sheet. Maybe the object being carried has not been irradiated yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Try this one from 1977. The photo was inside some other documents retrieved from the bin. I think the deck of the wagon has been sheathed in stainless steel sheet. Maybe the object being carried has not been irradiated yet? Ernie, Happy New Year! I think this may have been one of the Winfrith flasks- they were very different in size and shape from any of the other types transported. 'Wild Boar Fell' on here has done a 3-D printed version of this wagon, in its pre-flask guise. When the vacuum-braked wagons went, they were replaced by a couple of BAAs, including one with experimental bogies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Ernie, Happy New Year! I think this may have been one of the Winfrith flasks- they were very different in size and shape from any of the other types transported. 'Wild Boar Fell' on here has done a 3-D printed version of this wagon, in its pre-flask guise. When the vacuum-braked wagons went, they were replaced by a couple of BAAs, including one with experimental bogies Brian, Yes the wagon has 'Winfrith' chalked on the solebar. When I was dealing with the flask traffic at Dungeness we had a wagon that went to Winfrith, not sure if it was loaded with a flask. I remember because the normal wagon labels were pre-printed and we had to get some blanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Brian, Yes the wagon has 'Winfrith' chalked on the solebar. When I was dealing with the flask traffic at Dungeness we had a wagon that went to Winfrith, not sure if it was loaded with a flask. I remember because the normal wagon labels were pre-printed and we had to get some blanks. The load looks as though it could be something fashioned from one of the more modern asthma inhalers, or perhaps an attachment for a Dyson; shades of 'Our Man In Havana'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I believe that Winfrith was the flask testing site, so it would have taken every variety of flask at some point - it is possible that they also took other items for periodic testing as well? Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 8, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2014 Ernie, Happy New Year! I think this may have been one of the Winfrith flasks- they were very different in size and shape from any of the other types transported. 'Wild Boar Fell' on here has done a 3-D printed version of this wagon, in its pre-flask guise. When the vacuum-braked wagons went, they were replaced by a couple of BAAs, including one with experimental bogies Hi Brian, FOA 900230 is the ex-BAA with experimental bogies that was used on Winfrith duty. Photo by Steve moore - posted with permission. A clearer view of the bogies can be seen here. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 With regards to the road vehicles that were used to transfer the flasks between the railhead and power station, I've only seen photos of the Scamell S24 tractor units, pulling a heavy duty trailer like this one, http://www.flickr.com/photos/47008254@N04/6803230243 As a general rule of thumb, the flasks were very solidly built, and any transport of them comes under the rules governing Special Types Goods Operations (STGO), as such if you do decide to make a model, then any six wheel tractor unit with both rear axles driven, will be the right sort of truck, and you might be able to get a British made truck for your model. I would look at something from these truck manufacturers ERF, Foden, Seddon Atkinson 400, Leyland Roadtrain, Scamell S24, (the one with the bonnet) or the Scammell S26 (rebadged Leyland Roadtrain) I hope that helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Hi Brian, FOA 900230 is the ex-BAA with experimental bogies that was used on Winfrith duty. Photo by Steve moore - posted with permission. FOA 900230s.jpg A clearer view of the bogies can be seen here. Cheers, Mick Detail photos of this bogie, when the wagon was a BAA http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/baa/e2085cee6 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/baa/e33c5be82 Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 With regards to the road vehicles that were used to transfer the flasks between the railhead and power station, I've only seen photos of the Scamell S24 tractor units, pulling a heavy duty trailer like this one, http://www.flickr.com/photos/47008254@N04/6803230243 As a general rule of thumb, the flasks were very solidly built, and any transport of them comes under the rules governing Special Types Goods Operations (STGO), as such if you do decide to make a model, then any six wheel tractor unit with both rear axles driven, will be the right sort of truck, and you might be able to get a British made truck for your model. I would look at something from these truck manufacturers ERF, Foden, Seddon Atkinson 400, Leyland Roadtrain, Scamell S24, (the one with the bonnet) or the Scammell S26 (rebadged Leyland Roadtrain) I hope that helps. Firstly, thanks for explaining what STGO means- I've seen plaques with it on all sorts of specialised HGVs, and never worked out, possibly because I thought it was French, as so many abbreviations in transport seem to be (TIR, for example). Presumably the 1, 2 or 3 marking on the plates relate to specific sub-categories of movement? Secondly, with regards to vehicles used for flask haulage, I've seen photos of both Forward-Control and Normal Control Scammells/Leylands (some of the photos were on here, and might have been taken at Bridgewater.). In earlier days, I've seen photos of the rounded-cab Fodens. At some time, draw-bar trailers might have been used; I'm fairly certain I've seen photos of Scammell and Foden ballast tractors. Here are some links to images I've found:- http://nlf.uk.net/contact.html Torness http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/342584/view Bridgewater http://www.nda.gov.uk/stakeholders/newsletter/wylfa-fuel.cfm Wylfa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted January 9, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2014 I keep being tempted by a Genesis Flatrol MJ or 2, though for my era I'd have to 'de-furb' it and make the 3-axle bogies (from yet another Triang trestrol, most likley!) Bit put off by the £22 price tag, especially if I'll be binning major parts of it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Some of mine, different periods. 2 at Trawsfynnedd. 2 at Valley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Staying on the subject of the road vehicles, the STGO plates are displaying two different category (CAT) numbers. The different categories are - CAT 1 for loads over 44 Tonnes, but less than 50 Tonnes. CAT 2 for loads over 50 Tonnes, but less than 80 Tonnes. CAT 3 for loads over 80 Tonnes, but generally no more than 150 Tonnes. http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/?t=56085 http://www.commercialmotor.com/legal/special-types-stgo-and-abnormal-loads But where the word load is used, it includes the truck and trailer weights and the flask. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Glad i came across this!! wil follow now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew s Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Some very useful information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Flynn Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 if you want to see layout 2mins 11 secs in. Hugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthnut Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Fascinating stuff! ... So is there a date for the introduction of the sliding canopy type wagons? There are a few BR blue era shots showing them but these seem undated? I'm modelling around 1979 and fancy running a waste service through but can't seem to find much conclusive evidence of the earliest date I can get away with one of the Bachmann wagon, be with a little re numbering perhaps or do I need to make the Genesis kits...? Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Flynn Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Fascinating stuff! ... So is there a date for the introduction of the sliding canopy type wagons? There are a few BR blue era shots showing them but these seem undated? I'm modelling around 1979 and fancy running a waste service through but can't seem to find much conclusive evidence of the earliest date I can get away with one of the Bachmann wagon, be with a little re numbering perhaps or do I need to make the Genesis kits...? Ben If this helps look at dates built as with Paul Bartlett this is also a cracking site for info Hugh http://www.garethbayer.co.uk/wotw/wp-content/gallery/great-britain-f-coded-fn/FNA_550010.jpg http://www.garethbayer.co.uk/wotw/great-britain/f-coded/fna-nuclear-flask/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthnut Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Cheers Hugh, That's just the info I needed, built late seventies, so they'd be newish but at least I know they existed at that time! Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Anymore photos.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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