Wright writes.....

[TT3]

Very nice indeed, was initially going to comment on the great tower block model beside the track then figured it was a gate..... better go back to specsavers again

[Tony Wright]

10 hours ago, Ian Rathbone said:

Surely a Jinty wouldn’t have both the LMS cartouche and the coat of arms. I would remove the coat of arms before anyone sees it...

 

Thank you for the Gresley photos.

 

Regards

 

Ian R

Good morning Ian,

 

Have I misinterpreted the top picture on page 126 of  Essery and Jenkinson's Volume 4 of LMS Locomotives? Probably, though the symbol is round, not oval like a worksplate. 

 

It'll come off easily.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Edited March 15, 2021 by Tony Wright

[Jesse Sim]

22 minutes ago, TT3 said:

Very nice indeed, was initially going to comment on the great tower block model beside the track then figured it was a gate..... better go back to specsavers again

I get that a lot, someone once thought it was high rise apartments. 
 

I jsut get some nice afternoon sun that gives perfect light.

[Tony Wright]

I've just edited an earlier post where I stated I'd built one loco a month during the lockdowns. I can't count; it's two a month! At least. 

 

Still, I taught art.........................

[Barclay]

59 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Good morning Ian,

 

Have I misinterpreted the top picture on page 126 of  Essery and Jenkinson's Volume 4 of LMS Locomotives? Probably, though the symbol is round, not oval like a worksplate. 

 

It'll come off easily.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Could be the North British Loco. Company works plate, as they were circular. 

[Compound2632]

4 minutes ago, Barclay said:

Could be the North British Loco. Company works plate, as they were circular. 

 

16564 in the photo I posted is a Vulcan engine of 1928; the works plate can be seen towards the bottom of the bunker side. I'd be surprised if the NBL worksplate would be allowed to obstruct the standard placing of the LMS insignia. 

 

I'm afraid I don't have the Essery & Jenkinson LMS Locomotives volumes.

[Barclay]

1 minute ago, Compound2632 said:

 

16564 in the photo I posted is a Vulcan engine of 1928; the works plate can be seen towards the bottom of the bunker side. I'd be surprised if the NBL worksplate would be allowed to obstruct the standard placing of the LMS insignia. 

 

I'm afraid I don't have the Essery & Jenkinson LMS Locomotives volumes.

The circular works plate was located underneath the rectangular 'LMS' motif. There was no coat of arms in this location, but the works plate, being circular, would resemble one in a slightly hazy photo.

[PenrithBeacon]

A circular works plate is an awful lot smaller than the coat of arms

[Barry Ten]

I've made a small test module for my N gauge trackwork as I wanted to make sure things were working mechanically and electrically before building further points. Eventually the module will be incorporated into a larger (but still small) layout:

 

[Compound2632]

19 minutes ago, Barclay said:

The circular works plate was located underneath the rectangular 'LMS' motif. There was no coat of arms in this location, but the works plate, being circular, would resemble one in a slightly hazy photo.

 

But are the number and LMS cartouche on the tank and bunker centre line, or raised above it as Tony has done? The latter seems to me unlikely - I would have expected the specification provided to NBL to require their worksplate not to obstruct the standard positioning of livery. When the Midland changed to the large-digit livery style in 1905, the company coat of arms went on the bunker side in this position and worksplates that were in the way were removed (possibly relocated).

[Barclay]

1 minute ago, Compound2632 said:

 

But are the number and LMS cartouche on the tank and bunker centre line, or raised above it as Tony has done? The latter seems to me unlikely - I would have expected the specification provided to NBL to require their worksplate not to obstruct the standard positioning of livery. When the Midland changed to the large-digit livery style in 1905, the company coat of arms went on the bunker side in this position and worksplates that were in the way were removed (possibly relocated).

On the photo. I'm looking at, of an NBL loco., albeit a different one, the number is dead on the centre line, the 'LMS' slightly higher, i.e. not quite on the same centre line as the number. However I make no comment on centre lines or otherwise, merely that Tony may have interpreted a circular works plate as a coat of arms if the photo. wasn't very clear.

[Michael Edge]

2 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Good morning Ian,

 

Have I misinterpreted the top picture on page 126 of  Essery and Jenkinson's Volume 4 of LMS Locomotives? Probably, though the symbol is round, not oval like a worksplate. 

 

It'll come off easily.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Yes you have, the circular item is the works plate.

[Tony Wright]

1 hour ago, Barclay said:

The circular works plate was located underneath the rectangular 'LMS' motif. There was no coat of arms in this location, but the works plate, being circular, would resemble one in a slightly hazy photo.

Many thanks,

 

I'll now do two things....................

 

Remove the coat of arms from the loco in question. And, the second thing? Stick to building LNER/ER locos.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Compound2632]

52 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

And, the second thing? Stick to building LNER/ER locos.

 

You have some very nice LMR locos on your layout.

[Bucoops]

20 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

You have some very nice LMR locos on your layout.

 

I didn't know LB had a scrapyard?

[Compound2632]

6 minutes ago, Bucoops said:

I didn't know LB had a scrapyard?

 

How rude. And after Tony has just rescued this model from such a fate.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Compound2632

[Tony Wright]

30 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

You have some very nice LMR locos on your layout.

Many thanks Stephen,

 

The difference is they're all in BR condition. My knowledge of the subtleties among the LMS locos' numerous liveries is dismal.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Bucoops]

7 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

How rude. And after Tony has just rescued this model from such a fate.

 

All in jest of course

[LNER4479]

1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Stick to building LNER/ER locos.

 

But then you'll never learn?

 

 

 

 

(stand by ...)

[Ian Rathbone]

2 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Many thanks,

 

I'll now do two things....................

 

Remove the coat of arms from the loco in question. And, the second thing? Stick to building LNER/ER locos.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Tony, it’s not the building, it’s the painting.

 

Regards

 

Ian

[Tony Wright]

49 minutes ago, Ian Rathbone said:

Tony, it’s not the building, it’s the painting.

 

Regards

 

Ian

Why do you think I farm out painting to you and Geoff Haynes?

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Tony Wright]

Speaking of painting.......................

 

The LRM J3 is now ready for its coats of paint.

 

 

 

One thing which puzzles me is why folk struggle to solder bands on to etched boilers. If they're subsequently lined, I don't bother with them. If they'll be plain black (as in this case), I'll use PVC self-adhesive insulation tape, cut to the required width. It really is much easier.

 

The dodge is to cut them to length (adjacent to the dome, say) about half an hour after they're applied - that way they'll have shrunk to the correct length and adhere to the surface. A bead of superglue underneath the boiler at the end of each band ensure their staying put. 

 

 

[Jamiel]

I have (more or less) finished the London Road Models L&Y Class 23 I have been building. My second brass loco kit, and the first one completed. Many thanks to those who offered advice here and on my Ellerby thread.
 

I say more or less finished as there are some little things that will need doing at some point. When I can get to a craft shop, I will get some little black round paper stickers to go over the wheel centre nuts, which can then be weathered back.
 

Photos always show up odd things too, a bit more dirt to cover the silver of the brake wheel the diver is holding (I think it is a brake wheel?). I may also weather back the little bits of the numbers showing too bright by hand. I cleaned them after airbrushing, but overdid it. It would have been better to just leave them.
 

It will also need a bit of running in when I have access to a layout, I suspect mine will be stored for quite a few months still, and also a little lubrication to the gears.

I am pleased with the weathering, which is a little too much, but when out of direct sunlight is less obvious. My experiment with running thinner on the tank was a little too successful, maybe more akin what would be seen on an oil tanker, but after a light coat with the airbrush to tone it back I feel it gives it character. Character might just be a euphemism for mistake.

 

 

 

 

Thanks again for the help in building this to everyone who contributed, or ticked images shared to give encouragement.
 

Hopefully I will finish and share pictures of the Comet Caprotti Black 5 I hope to finish before too long, which was the first loco build I started.

Jamie

Edited March 15, 2021 by Jamiel

[Leander]

1 hour ago, Jamiel said:

Photos always show up odd things too, a bit more dirt to cover the silver of the brake wheel the diver is holding (I think it is a brake wheel?).

Very nice! It's the Horwich style reverser actually.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Leander

[Tony Wright]

1 hour ago, Jamiel said:

I have (more or less) finished the London Road Models L&Y Class 23 I have been building. My second brass loco kit, and the first one completed. Many thanks to those who offered advice here and on my Ellerby thread.
 

I say more or less finished as there are some little things that will need doing at some point. When I can get to a craft shop, I will get some little black round paper stickers to go over the wheel centre nuts, which can then be weathered back.
 

Photos always show up odd things too, a bit more dirt to cover the silver of the brake wheel the diver is holding (I think it is a brake wheel?). I may also weather back the little bits of the numbers showing too bright by hand. I cleaned them after airbrushing, but overdid it. It would have been better to just leave them.
 

It will also need a bit of running in when I have access to a layout, I suspect mine will be stored for quite a few months still, and also a little lubrication to the gears.

I am pleased with the weathering, which is a little too much, but when out off direct sunlight is less obvious. My experiment with running thinner on the tank was a little too successful, maybe more akin what would be seen on an oil tanker, but after a light coat with the airbrush to tone it back I feel it gives it character. Character might just be a euphemism for mistake.

 

 

 

 

Thanks again for the help in building this to everyone who contributed, or ticked images shared to give encouragement.
 

Hopefully I will finish and share pictures of the Comet Caprotti Black 5 I hope to finish before too long, which was the first loco build I started.

Jamie

That's splendid work Jamie,

 

Access to a layout? When allowed and restrictions are lifted, PM me and we'll fix up a date when you can visit  Little Bytham and give it a really good run (I assume it's OO). 

 

Regards,

 

Tony.