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5 hours ago, Manxcat said:

Good Morning Tony,

 

Does the above mean that you still have your spotter's manuals from all those years ago? 

 

Archie

Unfortunately I don't Archie. However, I have a good memory.

 

All my hand-written 'spotter's notebooks (thankfully not my Ian Allan's) were chucked out by my mother when I went to teacher training college in 1967. She must have thought I'd grown up!

 

How wrong.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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25 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

The lamp was based on a picture during the loco's time on the CLC, so it's obviously the wrong pattern for Retford. 

 

And, no; I never wore my school uniform when 'spotting at Retford. It was only ever in the holidays............

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

I don't know if the lamp is wrong. It just looked unusual.

 

It is a shame about the uniform but I am sure there must be a suitable figure available to be painted up as the young Tony Wright.

 

Perhaps Alan Buttler can do some digital magic and take the scan of you back 60 years.

 

Mind you, he scanned me once and I asked him to digitally remove a few years and a few pounds (make that a few stones) in weight.

 

He politely said something along the lines of he was good but couldn't work miracles!   

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2 hours ago, t-b-g said:

 

I don't know if the lamp is wrong. It just looked unusual.

 

It is a shame about the uniform but I am sure there must be a suitable figure available to be painted up as the young Tony Wright.

 

Perhaps Alan Buttler can do some digital magic and take the scan of you back 60 years.

 

Mind you, he scanned me once and I asked him to digitally remove a few years and a few pounds (make that a few stones) in weight.

 

He politely said something along the lines of he was good but couldn't work miracles!   

It's probably incorrect, Tony.

 

Anyway, 'putting my money where my mouth is', I've ordered 100 lamps of the correct pattern from Dave Franks of LMS. I imagine they'll be gobbled up in no time on Retford, and I'll have to order more!

 

Several of the locos, particularly the older ones, don't have lamp brackets, so it might have to be a case of fixing the lamps in place with a dab of superglue, effectively making them 'permanent'. Since the likes of MERLIN is always on the 'Lizzie', that shouldn't be a problem. Where locos have brackets, a hole drilled in the lamps' bases with a tiny blob of Blu Tak should suffice.

 

I see hours of fun ahead!

 

Regards,

 

Tony.  

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12 minutes ago, micklner said:

How do you drill the holes Tony ? I am lucky, if i get two or even less out of ten successful attempts,  without the handle falling/snapping  off !! .

Assuming the lamps are white metal, Mick...................

 

Firstly, make sure the bases are filed flush. Then, make a 'dot' in the base, exactly in the middle, using a sharp scriber. This is essential. It can be done by hand-pressure. 

 

Then, using a pin vice, drill a pilot hole, lubricating the bit with spit. It must be a sharp bit, of small size. Finally, open out the hole with a bit a tiny bit greater in size than the lamp bracket. 

 

If a hole goes askew, plug with solder and try again. 

 

Also useful is a dictionary of profanity (a big one!) and a supply of plasters for when you puncture the ends of your fingers/thumb!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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17 minutes ago, micklner said:

How do you drill the holes Tony ? I am lucky, if i get two or even less out of ten successful attempts,  without the handle falling/snapping  off !! .

Hi Mick

 

I have been drilling a hole in the bottom of the small lamps from Lanarkshire Model Railways.

 

I use a sowing needle to make a small indent in the centre of the lamps base then use a 0.7 drill in a pin vice.


I some how I manage to hold the small lamp in my sausage fingers and just drill away, I tried using tweezers but the lamps just slipped and moved.
 

I usually manage to get about Five or Six out of Ten.

 

My  main problem is avoiding the drill bit going up through the top of the lamp.
 

Regards

 

David

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2 hours ago, Bucoops said:

 

 

Hi Andrew, no, I typo'd the hinge count it would seem. A mere 24 not 54. I still hate them though. I intend to spend some evenings trawling books for a D154. Else I think I shall have to go down the 111 route. Not giving up yet.

 

The buffers certainly seem to be a continuation of GN practice. I know some of the Quintet sets for the GE section also had the same heads - but without the retractable facility that the vestibuled coaches had. Others had plain round heads. 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Bucoops said:

 

B Cups? I feel a right t*t now. Possibly a left one too ;)

 

Good evening Bucoops,

 

see what I did there. A mere 24 hinges, you big softy. I could zap those in an half an hour, if I had any solder. Did you hear that, rubbish supplier!

 

A set of etches arrived for a dia 45 BG though, they were posted after the solder. I will have to glue them together with cow gum.

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My train spotting was on an over bridge between the disused station and the pit yard.

 

Taking numbers? Ever seen a West Hartlepool Q6? No chance. The 9Fs and WDs  (many already missing smokebox number plates )  had a thick mass of dirt/rust/grime over them.

 

It would appear that (according to the loco crews) you just found a loco in steam of the correct power rating and went off on your turn.

 

We did see J26s and J27s,  Met_Cam 4 car DMUS  (they had a buffet car), the odd EE Type 4 on sleepers and the only real "express" which came through (Colchester to Newcastle via rhe coast route? )

 

However..to meet with having the right loco for the right train in the right place  means you need only small number of locos..with some being duplicate named to act as a reserve... boring!!!

 

Baz

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1 hour ago, landscapes said:

Hi Mick

 

I have been drilling a hole in the bottom of the small lamps from Lanarkshire Model Railways.

 

I use a sowing needle to make a small indent in the centre of the lamps base then use a 0.7 drill in a pin vice.


I some how I manage to hold the small lamp in my sausage fingers and just drill away, I tried using tweezers but the lamps just slipped and moved.
 

I usually manage to get about Five or Six out of Ten.

 

My  main problem is avoiding the drill bit going up through the top of the lamp.
 

Regards

 

David

I was hoping that another method would be mentioned. I use the same method and it kills the fingers holding them tight.

 

 

Is there a reason why a small lead holefor the drill cant be cast in the base of the lamps, as they are made ??

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10 minutes ago, micklner said:

I was hoping that another method would be mentioned. I use the same method and it kills the fingers holding them tight.

 

 

Is there a reason why a small lead holefor the drill cant be cast in the base of the lamps, as they are made ??

 

Not that it matters if you already have the lamps but the 3D printed lamps produced by Modelu, have a hole in the base that makes for very easy mounting on a lamp iron, even the fairly chunky plastic irons on RTR rolling stock.

 

John

 

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Friend, Geoff West visited today..............

 

Bringing with him a couple of locos.

 

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This extremely powerful SE Finecast A4 was built/part-painted by the late Geoff Brewin. I finished it off and Geoff (W) has added a touch of weathering. I sold it to Geoff (W) from Geoff Brewin's estate. 

 

It'll be interesting to see what my 60007 looks like when Ian Rathbone has painted it. 

 

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He also brought this DJH 9F which I sold to him on behalf of John Houlden (after John 'graduated' to O Gauge). 

 

92037 must obviously be a popular prototype, because I have a model of it...................

 

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I acquired this DJH example from Robert Carroll (in a swop for a Bachmann one - this one didn't like some of Robert's points). Builder unknown, but it was painted by Larry Goddard. I asked Geoff Haynes to weather it, after I'd added some details. John had altered the 1F tender on his to make the cut-out at the rear smaller. DJH's is too deep. 

 

And the real thing.

 

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At Retford, in the '50s. 

 

Am I with the 'spotters to the left? I could be! 

 

I did say I'd have a go at making some telegraph poles! 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

fixing the lamps in place with a dab of superglue, effectively making them 'permanent'.

That's the best way if the loco is always going to work the same class of train with the same end leading.

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13 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Within ten minutes of getting on to the station, I'd seen 60024 (fresh from the Plant), 60027 (on the Down 'Lizzie), 60094 (waiting to go to the works, if memory serves), 60102 and 61212 light engines, 60111 on an Up express and 62722 coming in from Hull. That was after seeing 60008 and 70003 outside the paintshop! The rest of the day was just a marvellous blur..........

 

Oh to have had a camcorder and digital camera!

 

 

Or even better, a Time-Machine......

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11 hours ago, johndon said:

 

Not that it matters if you already have the lamps but the 3D printed lamps produced by Modelu, have a hole in the base that makes for very easy mounting on a lamp iron, even the fairly chunky plastic irons on RTR rolling stock.

 

John

 

Modelu are a tad expensive if more than a few are neeeded @ £7.50 for five especially if they disappear off the loco in due course . LMS are £1.99 for five.

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54 minutes ago, micklner said:

Modelu are a tad expensive if more than a few are neeeded @ £7.50 for five especially if they disappear off the loco in due course . LMS are £1.99 for five.

With probably 200 lamps needed for Retford, it'll be the latter for me, even though it'll mean lots of drilling...................

 

The ModelU lamps are very good, though (as are the LMS ones).

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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58 minutes ago, micklner said:

Modelu are a tad expensive if more than a few are neeeded @ £7.50 for five especially if they disappear off the loco in due course . LMS are £1.99 for five.

 

Agreed - as a modeller of the 1970s, I only need lamps for the rear of my trains...

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10 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Good morning John,

 

Most (if not all) the locos on Retford (and on Little Bytham as well) stay on one class of train, so, to all intents and purposes, lamps can be 'permanent'.

 

Class 'H' trains like these................ 

 

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However, since 'seeing the light', lamps have been obligatory on every operating loco on Little Bytham (and Stoke Summit and Charwelton)................

 

This Nu-Cast O2/3 is probably as old as some of the Retford O2s, and it still doesn't have lamp brackets. But it does carry (glued-in-place) lamps, which one notices straight away. 

 

In case what I've just presented 'upsets' some folk, it is not my intention to denigrate the great man's work in any way. Retford's new owner is intent on finishing the 'greatest model railway ever made' (my words). She wants it to look as 'accurate' as possible, which means all locos carrying lamps (my job, I imagine, or at least in part!).

 

To me, lamps add so much to 'realism'. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

Good Morning Tony

 

This photo is wonderful. The bogie tank wagon indicates it is a BP crude oil working these were one of the few long distance block oil tank trains until the late 50s when Esso introduced their vacuum fitted tank wagons. Just look at the variety of wagons, including the two NER/LNER 13 ton wooden hoppers being used as barrier wagons.

 

Thank you for sharing it.

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47 minutes ago, SP Steve said:

Sorry for taking up room on your thread Tony but as it's LNER then I hope I'm excused!

 

Having earlier posted re: making up the height deficiency for a Chivers D120 brake van, here's the side after having the window details re-instated. I've made an attempt to depict one or two of the pivoted top lights being open - I think these were only found on the D120 versions, the later types having fixed non-opening windows instead.

 

 

Good morning SP steve,

 

your reworking of the drop lights looks most convincing. One thing that you may wish to consider, the rain guards above the pivoting drop lights were three strips, not a single one. Filing a slot between each light should sort that out, it may be something that you are intending to do.

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Given the recent talk of head and tail lamps, I'm left wondering which is the lesser of the two evils - not having them at all, or having them fitted wrongly (according to the rule book).

 

In my case I'm looking at fixed rakes of coaches - ideally with the ability to run in either direction. I'm in two minds - should I ignore tail lamps completely or fit them to both ends. Either way, one end will be wrong. I think I'm edging towards fitting them to both ends as the end of a train looks naked/wrong without a lamp but I'd be interested to hear what others think.

 

I have considered removable lamps but I model in N and making them swappable would compromise on their scale size.

 

Steven B.

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36 minutes ago, Steven B said:

Given the recent talk of head and tail lamps, I'm left wondering which is the lesser of the two evils - not having them at all, or having them fitted wrongly (according to the rule book).

 

In my case I'm looking at fixed rakes of coaches - ideally with the ability to run in either direction. I'm in two minds - should I ignore tail lamps completely or fit them to both ends. Either way, one end will be wrong. I think I'm edging towards fitting them to both ends as the end of a train looks naked/wrong without a lamp but I'd be interested to hear what others think.

 

I have considered removable lamps but I model in N and making them swappable would compromise on their scale size.

 

Steven B.

Hi Steven

 

As a 00 modeller with poor hand and eye coordination the thought of changing lamps as Tony Gee does on Buckingham would result in a pile of lamps sitting in the four foot. I too am contemplating fixed lamps both ends of my trains as I have a terminus station. Also fixed lamps on my locos, most will have express passenger, ordinary passenger or ECS/parcels headcodes. The coal train and diesel trip workings to the loco siding would have the appropriate headcodes for such workings. I also plan to have a couple with shunting headcodes which will act as the station pilots. Most locos will have a light engine lamp on the tender rear for moving to and from the station and loco sidings. Some tank locos will have lamps both ends as these are not always turned. All I hope is the lamps on the front coach and the rear of the loco will not show up too much.

 

Diesel locos and DMUs with roller blinds will have appropriate codes either end which means they will have to placed in the fiddle yard the right way round so 1M27 is not the arrival code but 1E05 is.

 

Now comes the problem of DMUs and tail lamps, which they would carry in my time period. Do I have one on each end which will look daft dangling on the front or do I not have any, which is equally as bad?

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