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34 minutes ago, Dave John said:

 

I have also used some of the HO figures where space is tight, after all folk do come in a range of sizes. 

I remember in the 1960s working around Duddeston Road box. There was a driver at Saltley nicknamed Tarzan, as he was rather heavily built. It was alleged  that the roster clerk had to be careful what jobs he was allocated to as he didn't fit onto all classes and it was advisable to put him on an out and home turn worked by the same loco.

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21 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

I've just started taking pictures of Hornby's latest large Prairie.................

 

Not having conducted any research yet (and in a plea for assistance), is this a post-War manifestation? Or pre-War? 

 

I took this one out of its box, and the roof promptly fell off! A friend's just bought one, and a driving wheel fell off his!!!!!

 

Same question; pre- or post-War? 

 

Both of these run beautifully on my test track , and this afternoon I'll take some moving footage of them on LB. 

 

I don't have any pictures of the previous Hornby 51XX/61XX Classes (were they ex-Arfix?), but I didn't know that the central 'strap' on the boiler stood proud. On ones I've built, I've soldered it flush. 

 

A very good runner this one.................... Note, the central strap flush. 

GREAT WESTERN is prewar and GWR is WWII onwards though it all depended on repaints with some GREAT WESTERN still around post nationalisation.

 

One time signature is the strap you mention. Post war two hand rails started to appear fiited to the strap, one on either side, though it took time for all to receive this, if in fact they all did.

 

Mike Wiltshire

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2 hours ago, Adam88 said:

 

Tony,

 

Is it an optical illusion or are the slide bars out of alignment?  They don't look to be parallel with the cylinder centre line.  If so, then doesn't the piston rod bind or are the clearances sufficient for this not to matter?

 

Adam

You're right, Adam,

 

The slidebars dip down to the rear on this example, which they shouldn't; they should be parallel with the tops and bottoms of the frames/coupling rods. 

 

Even though they're not exactly as they should be, the running is not impeded in any way; both run superbly.

 

Odd, isn't it? Hornby's LNER Pacifics have the slidebars pointing upwards to the rear (when they should dip down ever so slightly) and yet its GWR 51XX/61XX Prairies' slidebars dip down when they should be straight. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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On 13/09/2020 at 14:11, Woodcock29 said:

As I said earlier, yesterday we had a showing of a new exhibition layout called Spirsby built here in Adelaide by my mate Gavin. He has built the layout and I have supplied all the stock plus the GN somersault signals, signal box (still to be completed),  yard crane and 3-D printed GN station fence posts and seats. Whilst there are some details to be finished off on the layout its mostly finished.  The track plan is based on that on the ordinance survey plan. Its a country branch terminus to fiddle yard L shaped layout. To give the yard operator something more to do a loco depot has been built adjacent to the storage sidings. Here are a few photos. Some of the locos and a lot of the goods stock still need weathering.

I think this layout is one of the finest and most appealing that I've seen. I am a bit biased with my love of the GN but it's captured that East Lincs GN feel so well. Lovely locos, passenger and freight stock. The buildings and scenery all capture the feel of the location and the time and I love the GN somersaults. Absolutely first class.

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4 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

All I do is 'mutilate' model figures so that they'll fit into cabs where access is only available through the windows/doors. Often, I end up with a torso, arms and a head, or just one arm. Legs and posteriors are just snipped off! 

 

Amputation was no barrier to work on the Eastern Region; "We are an equal opportunities employer", obviously.

 

On a related subject, do any UK modellers reflect the ethnicity of the areas of the UK they represent, with their model people?  I think Wibdenshaw has/had some British Asians (complete with Sikh turban and beard) amongst the population, as is appropriate for West Yorkshire, but can't remember any other layouts doing this.

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1 hour ago, Chas Levin said:

I must preface this Tony by apologising for taking up yet more space on your thread with LED lighting, as I know it's not your favourite thing, but...

Following on from the recent discussions: Modelu have now added hollow bodied LNER BR(E) style side lamps to their range and I thought some might be interested to see what can be done with them (no personal connection, just a happy customer). I also use the DCC Concepts ones also mentioned above, but they're single lens and single colour only and whilst building GNR and ECJS brake carriages, I was at a loss as to how to incorporate lit side-lamps, giving white light forwards and red light backwards... until these came along. 

They're not only hollow bodied, but also have the rear 'wall' missing, which allows the positioning of a 1mm LED where that wall would have been, firing forwards. The lens openings can then take Modelu clear or red lenses and the LED easily illuminates both (though I also paint the inside of the lamp body white). 

Here are photos of one of a pair I prepared a while ago from test prints, for future use on a GNR Howlden Luggage Brake - apologies for the photo quality, but these are of course rather small and I struggled to get a balance between sufficient light to show the bodies whilst not over-exposing the lenses:

 

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The LEDs are installed with thin superglue, having first 'backed' them with thin plasticard; at 1mm square, they're just smaller than the missing 4th wall opening, so they slip inside, allowing the edges of the backing piece to mate with the lamp sides. The lenses are mounted with the thinest possible ring of 24 hour araldite, laid round the upwards facing ring of the lens opening. Here's a photo of one installed on a carriage:

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I run them from the Traintech motion sensor modules others have mentioned above; some of these have two outputs, one steady, one flickering (intended for effects), so it's possible to run two lamps off one unit. I find that in normal running and at layout viewing distances, the difference between the two illuminations is not a problem, beside which in practice I should imagine few lamp pairs looked identically bright. You can of course use clear or red lenses both sides and I know the way I've done it may not be very prototypical, but seeing the white and red as the carriage goes by always puts a smile on my face ^_^.

As with others, Chas,

 

No need for any apologies.

 

It's all interesting stuff.........................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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5 hours ago, Northmoor said:

Amputation was no barrier to work on the Eastern Region; "We are an equal opportunities employer", obviously.

 

On a related subject, do any UK modellers reflect the ethnicity of the areas of the UK they represent, with their model people?  I think Wibdenshaw has/had some British Asians (complete with Sikh turban and beard) amongst the population, as is appropriate for West Yorkshire, but can't remember any other layouts doing this.


yes, the Furness mrc’s layouts Coppell and Parrot Hall both have a representative population! Back in the late 70’s I also modelled some ‘punk rockers‘ with Clive style mohawks. Now available ‘ready to plant’ I believe! Kev.

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5 hours ago, Northmoor said:

Amputation was no barrier to work on the Eastern Region; "We are an equal opportunities employer", obviously.

 

On a related subject, do any UK modellers reflect the ethnicity of the areas of the UK they represent, with their model people?  I think Wibdenshaw has/had some British Asians (complete with Sikh turban and beard) amongst the population, as is appropriate for West Yorkshire, but can't remember any other layouts doing this.

South Pimlico by Colin of this parish included several local models of the appropriate period. It was also just the best example of urban grot that I have ever seen.

Bernard

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Figures have vastly improved with 3D scanning here's a Modelu me smoking a fag, whilst waiting for the next job on 68074. I think we set the cab side height by me leaning on an ironing board ( something our wives use Tony! )  in my kitchen. Some of the sculpted figures don't fare particularly well when pictures of them are enlarged. I unashamedly have a connection with Modelu, Alan used to live in my village.. They still have to be carved around a little when seated sometimes, and I'm always uncomfortable performing surgery on them. Maybe I'm just sqeamish anyway..

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Tony

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27 minutes ago, dibateg said:

Figures have vastly improved with 3D scanning here's a Modelu me smoking a fag, whilst waiting for the next job on 68074. I think we set the cab side height by me leaning on an ironing board ( something our wives use Tony! )  in my kitchen. Some of the sculpted figures don't fare particularly well when pictures of them are enlarged. I unashamedly have a connection with Modelu, Alan used to live in my village.. They still have to be carved around a little when seated sometimes, and I'm always uncomfortable performing surgery on them. Maybe I'm just sqeamish anyway..

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Tony

Wot..no beard??????

:jester:

Baz

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Talking of head/tail lamps....... as I needed quite a few, I decided the best option was to make my own.

 

Managed to source both red and clear diamanté 'jewels' from eBay ...... no problems at all.

 

Various bits and bobs of Evergreen section, fuse wire, Plastruct etc were gathered together and off we went.

 

After a good couple of hours, I went on line and ordered more Springside.

 

 

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20 hours ago, Northmoor said:

Amputation was no barrier to work on the Eastern Region; "We are an equal opportunities employer", obviously.

 

On a related subject, do any UK modellers reflect the ethnicity of the areas of the UK they represent, with their model people?  I think Wibdenshaw has/had some British Asians (complete with Sikh turban and beard) amongst the population, as is appropriate for West Yorkshire, but can't remember any other layouts doing this.

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I did on Pig Lane.

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A couple of questions, if I may? 

 

Did any of the ex-GWR 0-4-2Ts ever run in unlined green at the end of their lives?

 

And, what can be done about this?

 

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It belongs to a friend, and it's a Hatton's 14XX (made by DJ Models for the retailer?). My friend paid over £150.00 for it, new. 

 

This heavily-weathered example was all that was left, and he doesn't like the weathering (neither do I; I think it's un-subtle, and since when did chimneys leak limescale from their bases?). 

 

I have no idea how the weathering was applied (dirty thinners via an airbrush?), but has anyone ever tried to remove it? I don't know whether it's enamel or acrylic. Any ideas on how to shift it, please?

 

Or, a complete repaint, because it's a lovely model underneath?

 

Thanks in anticipation. 

 

 

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14 hours ago, kevpeo said:


yes, the Furness mrc’s layouts Coppell and Parrot Hall both have a representative population! Back in the late 70’s I also modelled some ‘punk rockers‘ with Clive style mohawks. Now available ‘ready to plant’ I believe! Kev.

I did some for one of our club layouts.

 

If you make your own figures you end up with people in appropriate dress for the time period.

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A group of young ladies in early 1970s fashion.

 

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5 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

 

And, what can be done about this?

 

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Shocking. It's obviously had a fright and turned white/pale.

 

Place it in the recovery position and keep warm

 

;-)

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

but has anyone ever tried to remove it?

T-Cut removed the factory weathering on my Black 5 and gave it a very pleasing shine, although compared to that 14XX, the weathering was quite light.

 

I think microsol was suggested to me by someone as well.

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34 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

A couple of questions, if I may? 

 

Did any of the ex-GWR 0-4-2Ts ever run in unlined green at the end of their lives?

 

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Or, a complete repaint, because it's a lovely model underneath?

 

Thanks in anticipation. 

 

 

I think a couple ran in unlined green, not got books to hand to look. 
Re the weathering that looks like Hattons standard weathering for their production run. It’s likely to be acrylic, and may be removable depending on if it’s a solvent or water based acrylic. 
 

If you have any IPA try a tiny bit on a cotton bud in a discreet area to see if it comes off. If not retry with Vallejo thinners, and work your way through what you have. It may be that T-Cut will remove it, but that can also remove the underlying markings. If you’re changing the identity, the cab side plates can be removed and modelmasters plates fit over the recess the RTR plates fit in. If you’re retaining the coupling rods the paint can be removed using cellulose giving a far better appearance to the rods than the painted original.

Some notes here https://hattons-14xx-finale which may be of use.

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2 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

A couple of questions, if I may? 

 

Did any of the ex-GWR 0-4-2Ts ever run in unlined green at the end of their lives?

 

And, what can be done about this?

 

384898557_weatheredHattons14XX.jpg.fe4182a86a80bc001910d09c9d647364.jpg

 

It belongs to a friend, and it's a Hatton's 14XX (made by DJ Models for the retailer?). My friend paid over £150.00 for it, new. 

 

This heavily-weathered example was all that was left, and he doesn't like the weathering (neither do I; I think it's un-subtle, and since when did chimneys leak limescale from their bases?). 

 

I have no idea how the weathering was applied (dirty thinners via an airbrush?), but has anyone ever tried to remove it? I don't know whether it's enamel or acrylic. Any ideas on how to shift it, please?

 

Or, a complete repaint, because it's a lovely model underneath?

 

Thanks in anticipation. 

 

 

TBH, most I remember seeing in the sixties were so filthy it was hard to tell if they were black or green, let alone if there was any lining present. Very like the model illustrated but for that weird stuff around the chimney. 

 

Things like Prairies, Moguls (and BR3 prairies for that matter) received unlined green at late overhauls, but I do wonder if, by then, overhauls to 14xx were still happening.

 

John

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15 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

TBH, most I remember seeing in the sixties were so filthy it was hard to tell if they were black or green, let alone if there was any lining present. Very like the model illustrated but for that weird stuff around the chimney. 

 

Things like Prairies, Moguls (and BR3 prairies for that matter) received unlined green at late overhauls, but I do wonder if, by then, overhauls to 14xx were still happening.

 

John

Many thanks, John (and to all the others who've replied).

 

A friend has emailed me saying that 1409, 1420, 1424 and 1454 received un-lined green at their last repaint, though some retained black, both plain and lined.

 

I agree that many locos displayed BR 'standard grime' towards the end of their lives, but the front numberplate could usually be read. This is just obliterated. When I compare the weathering on this loco with that done by the true 'masters of the craft' (the likes of Tom Foster), it's just awful in my view - just a blast of dirty thinners! This seems to be the way with much of the 'factory-finished' weathering - just thinned-down mud-brown squirted at the lower regions, often revealing a 'shadow' on the wheels where the rods have been when it was applied.

 

This Hornby 01 started out as just described...............

 

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As a starting point for weathering, I thought it was OK, so just took it a stage or two further with dry-brushing (after renumbering it). 

 

This Bachmann 9F arrived 'weathered'. 

 

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I also took this a stage further (though I forgot to address the 'shadows' on the drivers!).

 

I think the factory-finished RTR weathering might be OK as a starting point, especially when it's well-applied........

 

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As on this Hornby Sentinel. 

 

Of course, some firms offer a bespoke weathering service, which is often excellent.

 

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This trio of Bachmann cement wagons weathered by Lord and Butler 'Dirty Boy'  proves this.  

 

Regards,

 

Tony.  

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4 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

A couple of questions, if I may? 

 

Did any of the ex-GWR 0-4-2Ts ever run in unlined green at the end of their lives?

 

And, what can be done about this?

 

384898557_weatheredHattons14XX.jpg.fe4182a86a80bc001910d09c9d647364.jpg

 

It belongs to a friend, and it's a Hatton's 14XX (made by DJ Models for the retailer?). My friend paid over £150.00 for it, new. 

 

This heavily-weathered example was all that was left, and he doesn't like the weathering (neither do I; I think it's un-subtle, and since when did chimneys leak limescale from their bases?). 

 

I have no idea how the weathering was applied (dirty thinners via an airbrush?), but has anyone ever tried to remove it? I don't know whether it's enamel or acrylic. Any ideas on how to shift it, please?

 

Or, a complete repaint, because it's a lovely model underneath?

 

Thanks in anticipation. 

 

 

Hi Tony

 

I have quite a few coloured photos of the 14XX class and as someone has already commented most times it's difficult to see if it's green or Black livery.

 

This photo certainly looks green and as far as I can see it has no lining but it may be just very dirty as there is quite a bit of shadow on the tank.

 

Regards

 

David

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1 hour ago, landscapes said:

Hi Tony

 

I have quite a few coloured photos of the 14XX class and as someone has already commented most times it's difficult to see if it's green or Black livery.

 

This photo certainly looks green and as far as I can see it has no lining but it may be just very dirty as there is quite a bit of shadow on the tank.

 

Regards

 

David

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IMHO, if this loco had lining it would be visible in this photo - given the time that must have been spent cleaning the tanks to reveal the 'cycling lion' so clearly.

 

John Isherwood.

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2 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Many thanks, John (and to all the others who've replied).

 

A friend has emailed me saying that 1409, 1420, 1424 and 1454 received un-lined green at their last repaint, though some retained black, both plain and lined.

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Tony.  


1424 had late crest and no lining at the end, a book has an image of it on the Chalford turn in filthy plain green, date to follow. The pic of 1454 is green, the same image appears in a book with a lighter exposure clearly shows green. 1420 Is interesting, it was in full lined green and very good condition in 1959, so it would seem odd to get a full repaint, from a tidy locomotive so close to end of play.

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2 hours ago, landscapes said:

Hi Tony

 

I have quite a few coloured photos of the 14XX class and as someone has already commented most times it's difficult to see if it's green or Black livery.

 

This photo certainly looks green and as far as I can see it has no lining but it may be just very dirty as there is quite a bit of shadow on the tank.

 

Regards

 

David

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I saved it and lightened it up.

 

Loco definitely green but, the lightening made the coach look pink so I'm guessing it was deliberately printed dark.

 

John

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