JaymzHatstand Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I know there have been similar posts in the past, but I was thinking it might be a good idea to form a 'pool' of information about the various support coaches seen accompanying various locos when they are away from their home bases. I also think that models which would be suitable for conversion (or direct purchase) would be a handy resource for those of us who wish to model such vehicles. Even a steam movement on the main line 'light-engine' is usually accompanied by a support coach, a lone loco on the main is a rare sight indeed! The following are the start of the list, please feel free to provide any amendments or improvements where necessary The A1 Trust's Bachmann commission for their new support coach, which should be easy enough to represent with a suitably numbered (E21249) Mk1 BSK in Crimson/Cream (although the bogies may need changing - not sure what pattern they should be) The NRM has a Mk1 BSK, Numbered 99953 which has also been produced by Bachmann as a limited edition. It may be possible to pick one up second hand (I managed, at a lower price than they were originally sold for!) but failing that, a standard re-number/letting job it is. The A4 Locomotive Society, who own 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley have a Mk1 BCK (I think) E21096, again a Bachmann job with lettering and numbering and possibly bogies. 71000 Duke of Gloucester has a Mk2 BFK numbered W17041, but as I'm not very sure about the various types of Mk2s, I don't know if a Bachmann, Lima, or ex Airfix/Dapol model would be best to start the conversion from! Over to the rest of the forum, if you can add any information to the few starters I've thrown out there please do! I've been searching my photos for decent ones of support coaches, and despite being sure that I've taken some in the past, I'm yet to find them but when I do, I’ll start adding some on here too. Obviously, if anyone else has any, they are more than welcome to post them in this thread. Lastly, if this has been posted in the wrong place, please don't hesitate to move it or contact me regarding whatever needs to be done in order to put it in the right place! I'm looking forward to compiling a decent list of stock/donor vehicles for all those wishing to model a touch of preservation on their layouts! Cheers J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 60009 and 61994 both use BSK #35486 http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1926 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Hi All, The Didcot support coach is BR Mk 1 BSK No. 35453. It is in need of overhaul before it goes out again but that should happen in the not too distant future. Picture and so on to be found here: http://www.didcotrailwaycentre.org.uk/coaches/35453/35453.html I hope this helps! All the best, Castle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom J Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I have already covered off the Mk2s in the Farish Mk2a thread. The Mk2a BFK shares a body (but not roof vent positions!) with the BSO. I have been considering the idea that 5305LA, of which I am a member, might commission a model of one of our three, but less excited by the prospect if the NRM, after all those special edition locos, can't shift theirs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Apart from those already mentioned.61264 uses BCK 14007.5305 uses BCK 14099.60019 uses BFK 17013.45690 uses BFK 17025.35028 uses BFK 17096.46233 uses BCK 21232.30828 uses BCK 21236.6100 uses BCK 21268.30850 uses BSK 35317.60163 uses BSK 35333.45231 uses BSK 35449.60532 uses BSK 35457.5029 uses BSK 35461.70000 and 46201 share BSK 35465.46233 uses BSK 35476.34067 uses BSK 35518.BSK 35322 and 35463 are the WCRC support coaches.BSK 35329 is the Mid Hants support coach.BSK 35470 is the Tyseley support coach.BSK 35508 and 35517 are the ELR support coaches.CheersDavid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 A pic of 35486 Bitterns BSK 35470 with Earl of Mount Edugumber One of WCRC's BSK 80217 ex 35299 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Thanks for all your replies, and images, they are most helpful and interesting! A friend of mine who is the editor of the free online magazine 'UK Heritage Hub' has emailed me a fairly comprehensive list of coach details including basic livery details of some of them, and that list is included below (most of the coaches already mentioned are repeated within it, but in some cases with a little more detail) Ian Riley/ELR; 2 MK2 BSKs numbers; 35517 & 35508 both in faded maroon 45212 will appear with a MK1 when its ready... 60009/61994; MK1 BSK; 35486, Maroon NELPG; MK1 BSK Converted with roller doors; 80220, Maroon 61264; MK1 BCK; 14007, Maroon 6201; MK1 BSK; 99040, Maroon 34067; MK2 BSK; 35518, Southern Green Various WCRC; MK1 BSK; 99312, Maroon MK1 BSK; 99035, Maroon MK1 BSK Converted with roller doors; 80223, Maroon (To Be Completed) 70000; MK1 BCK; M35465, Crimson & Cream 71000; MK2a BFK; W17041, Maroon 70013; Mk2A BFK; 14099, Maroon 45305 (previous one prior to current MK2, believe now with 777) MK1 BFK; M17019, Maroon 5690; MK1 BFK; M17025, Maroon I've also had a scan through my photo archives and managed to find some photos which feature support coaches and these are shown below... 60019 Bittern and Mk1 BSK 17013 arriving into York 46233 Duchess of Sutherland and Mk1 BSK 35476 shunting around the freight avoiding curve at York 60009 Union of South Africa and Mk1 BSK 35486 approaching York on the ECML 71000 Duke of Gloucester with Mk2a BFK 17041 heads South from York 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley with Mk1 BCK E21096 heading out of York on a Northbound charter The Mk1 BCK M14007 which it was borrowing when the loco first entered service, is seen at York And just to show that you don't alwas need a support coach... 46115 Scots Guardsman running light on the ECML South of York Now we're getting a comprehensive list together, lets start looking at how to model them. Mostly it's going to be a re-number job on an RTR Mk1 or Mk2, which are available in both N and OO. Some will involve a bit of painting too as some coaches have their body colours extending around the ends and have other detail changes such as stem removal or interior alterations (kitchens etc which will also alter the roof vents) So to get it right, it'll be a case of finding some decent photos of your chosen subject, which this thread is starting to produce. More photos and updates are welcome, and I know that whenever I got out and about with my camera now for charters, I'll try to get a couple of shots of the support vehicle too! In the early days of main line steam there were often different coaches used to the now common Mk1s and 2s, IIRC the NRM would use one of their own collection when one of their fleet was out. That reminds me, TomJ said the NRM couldn't shift their support coach models. I believe they sold out pretty quickly as I enquired about them when I ordered my DP1 a few years ago. I picked my support coach up from ebay and I imagine they still show up from time to time (I've not looked for obvious reasons!) If you can persuade the 5305LA to have one commissioned, it may well raise a bit of cash as it's (they are) a unique vehicle(s) to that loco and any trip behind it. Looking forward to more discussion/information! Cheers J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Apart from those already mentioned. 61264 uses BCK 14007. 5305 uses BCK 14099. ... Cheers David A minor point, but both of these are BFKs Mk1 and Mk2a respectively and not BCKs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibuchan Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Bachmann have already produced models of the support coaches used by Tornado and Sir Nigel. They were available from the A1 steam Loco Trust and Sir Nigel's, from available from The Model Centre. However they both appear to have gone from their websites. Alistair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Bachmann have already produced models of the support coaches used by Tornado and Sir Nigel. They were available from the A1 steam Loco Trust and Sir Nigel's, from available from The Model Centre. However they both appear to have gone from their websites. Alistair The A1 one is still on there site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 When SNG was running as 4498 in the later 1980s the support coach was in Coronation livery. We painted it in the milk dock at Marylebone in the early summer of either 1986 or 7, I forget which. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Here is Tornado's Brake compo 21268 at Battersby and 14007 at Tees (Tornado is in front of the class 47 - honest). 21096 behing Nigel Gresley at Tees. In addition to list 71000 ran on the mainline with the Hawksworth Dyno car for some time Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 14007 earlier same day as above Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2015 Just found this thread whilst searching some details for Mk2a BFK/BSK 35517 (ex-14099/17088). It has West Coast branding, but appears to be an Ian Riley/East Lancs Railway support vehicle. I have a 2010 pic of my own of it at York, but was wondering if it has seen much use lately on the mainline? The most recent pic I can find is dated 2013. If anyone has recent info on it's use, particularly on mainline duty, I'd be most grateful. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2015 Just found this thread whilst searching some details for Mk2a BFK/BSK 35517 (ex-14099/17088). It has West Coast branding, but appears to be an Ian Riley/East Lancs Railway support vehicle. I have a 2010 pic of my own of it at York, but was wondering if it has seen much use lately on the mainline? The most recent pic I can find is dated 2013. If anyone has recent info on it's use, particularly on mainline duty, I'd be most grateful. Cheers, Mick Ta to Dan on wnxxforum. Looks like it's now in full BR style maroon BFK livery without WCRC logos. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ap86316/15915764823/ And it's likely to be in Scotland as it last accompanied 45407/44871 northwards to operate The Jacobite. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWS Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Hi All Just come across this thread as I am also interested in getting a support coach for my Hornby Sir Nigel Gresley. I found this pic on the interweb of Bachmann's version of the coach but cannot find a part number for it, any ideas? I'd love to get hold of one of these. Cheers, Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPig 6619 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I've been at TMC in North Yorkshire today and they have produce a number of these. Hi All Just come across this thread as I am also interested in getting a support coach for my Hornby Sir Nigel Gresley. I found this pic on the interweb of Bachmann's version of the coach but cannot find a part number for it, any ideas? I'd love to get hold of one of these. Cheers, Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWS Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I rang TMC a couple of weeks ago and they said these were produced a few years ago and were all sold out. Are you saying they have produced more? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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