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Hi Stovepipe 

its certainly not D7041, it was BFYE. Here's one of my collection of D7041 taken at Cardiff

IMG_1033.JPG.29eaf3e5e7e64305bb6f617157396685.JPGit's not D7051 either as there are photos of it scrapped at Swindon with blue window surrounds. Could it be D7040/6/7 ? Swindon or a scrapyard spotter have rather unhelpfully removed the last two alloy numbers!

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This is the picture zoomed in using gimp. Certainly 704x, take your pick from 7040, 7046 or 7047.

 

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In one of the Classic Diesel and Electric mags there is a shot of D7030 without a yellow panel in 1964.
I'm sure i read something about this but for the life of me I can't recall what it said.
Anyone know more?
 

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It sounds very strange Russ. Is the number clearly visible? It would have had to have the syp removed for some reason, or swapped cabs with a much earlier loco. 

 

D7030 was delivered to Canton (coincidentally) 58 years ago today on 19th April 1962 and there is a photo of it looking very new, inside the depot (on the Colour-Rail listings) with a date of 6th May 1962 and it has a yellow panel. 

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I remember this enigma well. The outcome (which I think was published in a later issue) was the photographer had used a type of film that reacted the same with yellow and green light, therefore it appeared not to have a warning panel but in reality did.

 

Steve

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The other thing with b/w photography is the use of coloured filters (e.g. green/yellow/red) to give different exposures/contrast effects.

These could also affect the apparent densities of different colours in the subject, when processed/printed.

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3 hours ago, keefer said:

The other thing with b/w photography is the use of coloured filters (e.g. green/yellow/red) to give different exposures/contrast effects.

These could also affect the apparent densities of different colours in the subject, when processed/printed.

Interesting point made there as I have seen an image of a Brush Type 2 D5842 taken at Barnsley without a yellow panel yet it was delivered from Brush with one. Sorry to go OT but it does bring to the fore the issue of using possible 'film effects' when trying to collaborate historical information and correct previously supplied sources. I'm aware of the Hymek image of D7030 but have myself have always been wary of the 'story' behind it. Unfortunately with the advent of 'photoshop' and other computer image correction programmes there seems to be more danger of digital images being manipulated to achieve the desired result. You can't beat a good old negative or transparency to authenticate an image and that is why I keep all of mine despite that fact that I am digitally scanning them to enhance the original quality for better definition. There are a few of us on here who assist in trying to compile an accurate livery database and the use of 'correctional' or 'enhancement' devices does raise the question of authenticity.

 

Once again sorry to go OT but I wasn't aware myself that there were such filters that 'interfered' with the b&w rendition of an image as I have, in the main, always used colour transparency film.

Very interesting..................and possibly worrying!

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12 hours ago, BrushVeteran said:

Interesting point made there as I have seen an image of a Brush Type 2 D5842 taken at Barnsley without a yellow panel yet it was delivered from Brush with one. Sorry to go OT but it does bring to the fore the issue of using possible 'film effects' when trying to collaborate historical information and correct previously supplied sources. I'm aware of the Hymek image of D7030 but have myself have always been wary of the 'story' behind it. Unfortunately with the advent of 'photoshop' and other computer image correction programmes there seems to be more danger of digital images being manipulated to achieve the desired result. You can't beat a good old negative or transparency to authenticate an image and that is why I keep all of mine despite that fact that I am digitally scanning them to enhance the original quality for better definition. There are a few of us on here who assist in trying to compile an accurate livery database and the use of 'correctional' or 'enhancement' devices does raise the question of authenticity.

 

Once again sorry to go OT but I wasn't aware myself that there were such filters that 'interfered' with the b&w rendition of an image as I have, in the main, always used colour transparency film.

Very interesting..................and possibly worrying!

 

Yes, just to add to the O/T from Hymek distraction for a second - take a look at this 

 

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I believe it was Gratispool film which gave this effect. Some photos from the late 60s/early 70s should be viewed with caution. 

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A common one I've noticed is with blue/red RTC etc. coaches looking indistinguishable from normal b/g

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On 18/04/2020 at 21:53, Russell Saxton said:

In one of the Classic Diesel and Electric mags there is a shot of D7030 without a yellow panel in 1964.
I'm sure i read something about this but for the life of me I can't recall what it said.
Anyone know more?
 

 

Hi Russ,

I remember this, it actually started with a b&w shot of D1033 Western Trooper in maroon apparently without a yellow panel at Plymouth North Road on 17 April 1964 on the front cover and inside the quarterly Western Power magazine, Issue 1 (September 2007). There were a few unconvincing theories and it remained a mystery until a year later when Issue 5 (September 2008) turned up with that b&w photo of D7030. It was me who flagged up that this was suffering the same issue as D1033, that its light green band also appeared to have faded and that both photos were taken at Plymouth North Road probably on the same day (it's dated just April 1964) and most likely by the same photographer; both images were from the same Stewart Blencowe collection anyway. Having noted photographic anomalies similar to Jonny777' s weird photo of 5524 above in the past I suspected something similar was going on with these, but didn't have the technical knowledge to explain it myself. Contributors to the next issue of WP suggested that it was either ageing negatives of a certain type or the use of a filter. Maybe it was a combination of the two. Any suggestion of image tampering by SB was rejected, a conclusive technical explanation was never reached but perhaps jonny777 has just supplied it.  Just to add to the confusion the same issue included a shot of D6305 & D6341 at Laira from the same source, both apparently devoid of the yellow panels they should have had!

 

By coincidence the above story occurred to me only yesterday when the subject of absent wasp stripes on Class 08s cropped up in another thread, although I don't think this applies there - I would imagine the black/yellow/basic livery contrasts would be too great (??)

 

Neil

 

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