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46 minutes ago, The Johnster said:

  I cannot identify the Gresley panelled coach or the vehicle to the left of it on the next road towards the camera.  

 

 

That panelled coach is a BCK diagram 314. The saloon in the mid foreground looks like  43087 which became MacApline's saloon and is now on the NYMR

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1 hour ago, Colin_McLeod said:

 

There would also be sleepers inside the sleeping car.

 

That depends on how much sleep they get.

From my (limited) experience they would 

be better named waking cars. :)

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13 hours ago, The Johnster said:

We may be at cross purposes or I may have simply got it wrong.  There is an all-steel medfit with chain pockets coupled to the right of the gas cylinder wagon and between it and the 16ton mineral; the wagon I'm talking about is in the centre background.

It is a high fit, LNER design as modelled in 4mm by Bachmann. Very common open merchandise wagon in 1961 as BR built thousands. 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bropenmerchandisesteel

 

I agree that the unpainted wood, steelwork painted open in the far background is interesting although I have photos of opens which appear not to have painted woodwork taken in the later 1970s. Perhaps it was a wagon used for collecting waste - rubbish. It was common to find such wagons at larger stations that occasionally worked to a local railway owned tip.  This is a nice example from nearby Selby which was written to work to Barlow Tip. https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/br5pldropside/e32334e3d

 

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15 hours ago, balders said:

MK1 sleeper. Looks like first class branding on the right door. 

 

Regards

 

Guy

 

 

It was the way the light was shining on it that confused me; I thought the spaces between the windows wre the actual windows

 

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13 minutes ago, hmrspaul said:

 

.... This is a nice example from nearby Selby which was written to work to Barlow Tip. https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/br5pldropside/e32334e3d

 

Paul

Yep, used to tip our rubbish into that on a daily basis during my time with the Selby S&T. 

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I suspected the chain pocket steel Hyfit (not Medfit, those were 3 plankers) might be the type modelled by Bachmann; I have one of them, but nice to have it confirmed by no less than THE expert!

 

The other wagon, the 5 planker in the Factory yard with unpainted wood and what looks like painted steelwork but may be wet rust, looks as if it loaded with rubbish and I am sure it is a Works departmental for this purpose.  I ought to remember the one at Selby if it was there in '66 or 67, because my sister lived there and I spent Easter or Summer hollys trainspotting, including a good bit of time hanging around on Selby station, but I don't; I guess I hadn't completely shaken the lococentricity of my callow yoof.  

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, rab said:

That depends on how much sleep they get.

From my (limited) experience they would 

be better named waking cars. :)

 

The secret is to pay a quick visit to the buffet for a single malt nightcap (double preferably) before you turn in. And don't try and imagine where you are on the network. 

 

I awoke in the dark on a trip south from Glasgow to Euston many decades ago. The train was stationary, and I thought I could hear voices in the distance. I lay their trying to picture the scene at Preston or Crewe as station staff loaded/unloaded mailbags from the brake vehicle. I had built up a wonderfully vivid picture in my mind when suddenly a train shot by in the opposite direction doing close to 100mph (or so it seemed to me). 

 

Oh well, stuff that - back to sleep. 

 

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If your pets discover your layout and really do not get on with each other, you could always buy an old tender drive Black 5 from Ebay and renumber it to 45401. 

 

Why? 

 

45401 was the first Black 5 to be withdrawn in November 1961, and this is why. 

 

 

45401_accident_warrington_1961.jpg.6177971b1a1709ab0322164093792d5a.jpg

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9 hours ago, rab said:

That depends on how much sleep they get.

From my (limited) experience they would 

be better named waking cars. :)

 

I sometimes had trouble sleeping when going from Truro to Paddington when going to Heathrow to join a ship, but no trouble at all when going in the other direction.

 

After handing over to my relief, then flying from the USA or Persian Gulf with a late afternoon arrival at Heathrow, then a taxi trip to Paddington. I normally got there around 7 pm and had a three hour wait until 10 pm to get on the sleeper. It was then straight to bed and sleep until the steward brought a cup of tea at St Austell to give me time to get dressed and get off at Truro.

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31 minutes ago, jonny777 said:

If your pets discover your layout and really do not get on with each other, you could always buy an old tender drive Black 5 from Ebay and renumber it to 45401. 

 

Why? 

 

45401 was the first Black 5 to be withdrawn in November 1961, and this is why. 

 

 

45401_accident_warrington_1961.jpg.6177971b1a1709ab0322164093792d5a.jpg

Hi Jonnny,

 

The crane appears to be the Cowans Sheldon 36ton crane from Lostock Hall, formerly of Preston supplied to the LNWR in 1913.

 

Looking at the photograph, has the impact knocked the driving wheels form the axles or is it a feature of the camera angle ?

 

 

Gibbo.

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42 minutes ago, Gibbo675 said:

Hi Jonnny,

 

The crane appears to be the Cowans Sheldon 36ton crane from Lostock Hall, formerly of Preston supplied to the LNWR in 1913.

 

Looking at the photograph, has the impact knocked the driving wheels form the axles or is it a feature of the camera angle ?

 

 

Gibbo.

It does look like that's what's happened, that looks like the end of an axle just above the smoke box. In any case, it must have been quite an impressive blow to have knocked that buffer beam back like that.

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21 hours ago, billbedford said:

 

That panelled coach is a BCK diagram 314. The saloon in the mid foreground looks like  43087 which became MacApline's saloon and is now on the NYMR

It moved to the Ecclesbourne Valley Railway last year, just don't ask me when exactly.

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I don’t know the London-Penzance route, but I used the London-ABZ route over the years and always slept well. Then again, I’ve always believed in the beneficial effects of alcohol as a preparation for such trips (no D&A testing in those days).

 

I once made a trip from Cairo to Luxor by sleeper, my wife detested it and we’ve never repeated the experience. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, jonny777 said:

If your pets discover your layout and really do not get on with each other, you could always buy an old tender drive Black 5 from Ebay and renumber it to 45401. 

 

Why? 

 

45401 was the first Black 5 to be withdrawn in November 1961, and this is why. 

 

 

45401_accident_warrington_1961.jpg.6177971b1a1709ab0322164093792d5a.jpg

The collision happened at Warrington, Dallam shed, 28/8/61 and involved 5XP 5630. I think it was the latter coming off shed and the Five was working a train on the running line. One of them passed a signal at danger, and this was the result. Both locos were withdrawn.

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36 minutes ago, rodent279 said:

It does look like that's what's happened, that looks like the end of an axle just above the smoke box. In any case, it must have been quite an impressive blow to have knocked that buffer beam back like that.

Hi Rodent,

 

Never mind the buffer beam, the cylinders and motion brackets are most certainly missing !

 

Gibbo.

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20 minutes ago, Gibbo675 said:

Hi Rodent,

 

Never mind the buffer beam, the cylinders and motion brackets are most certainly missing !

 

Gibbo.

Oh yes. Hadn't noticed that. Even more of a bang then!

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1 hour ago, rockershovel said:

 

 

I once made a trip from Cairo to Luxor by sleeper, my wife detested it and we’ve never repeated the experience. 

 

 

Done that twice. (from Giza station)

Third time (in reverse) I booked us onto a day train. Much nicer watching the countryside gently go by.

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On 21/08/2020 at 16:56, Jack374 said:


Possibly a wagon repair trip? I saw this photo today and on second glance it’s actually quite a mash up...GBRf-operated working led by 66763, hauling a dead DB Maritime livery 66005 (these workings often used to transfer locos), then a DB red MXA 'Lobster' bogie box (ex-BDA chassis), YSA 'Salmon' bogie flat, then what appears to be a blue livery BDA. I’ve never seen the blue BDA before, very modellable I’d have thought...

 

66763 66005

(Flickr link)

 

Jack.

I have a vague recollection that the blue BDA is an internal user wagon. If so, it's escaping!

 

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4 hours ago, LMS2968 said:

The collision happened at Warrington, Dallam shed, 28/8/61 and involved 5XP 5630. I think it was the latter coming off shed and the Five was working a train on the running line. One of them passed a signal at danger, and this was the result. Both locos were withdrawn.

45401 was hauling a southbound freight from Liverpool past Warrington Dallam shed when it was in collision with Jubilee class 45630 Swaziland coming off the shed.

One person was killed, and six were injured, according to Railways Archive, which suggests there wasn't a public report; a little surprising these days when there's a fatality, but 1961 was a very different time (only 16 years since the end of WW2, when there were so many deaths...)

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6 hours ago, Mel_H said:

45401 was hauling a southbound freight from Liverpool past Warrington Dallam shed when it was in collision with Jubilee class 45630 Swaziland coming off the shed.

One person was killed, and six were injured, according to Railways Archive, which suggests there wasn't a public report; a little surprising these days when there's a fatality, but 1961 was a very different time (only 16 years since the end of WW2, when there were so many deaths...)

I can't remember where I got this image, but it shows the two engines inside Dallam shed. Although the other side of the Five, the RH leading coupled wheel is seen to be in place.

 

dallam10.jpg

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I have a couple more of the post-accident scene on the filmstrip, one of which appears to have lots of steam cranes. 

 

When the scanner has finished, I will post the others. 

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There do not seem to be any other showing damage to the locomotives, but this one shows the level of destruction within the goods train. 

 

 

accident_warrington_1961.jpg.599bdeb51e0d64ca69366b47b6200315.jpg

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