RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 16, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2014 Why is the blacksmith carrying a roll of soft toilet paper? And why is the bird lady on the left about to be bashed on the head! I remember for years after the trams went, every time a city centre road was dug up, trams tracks would re-appear. I would expect by now, after all the remodelling there aren't any left to find. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Do you know, I was thinking exactly the same about the blacksmith - perhaps it was that curry he had the night before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I remember walking round the Croydon tram works in 1996 and they had unearthed a fair amount of the old tram track. Someone had even put one of the old rails onto the concrete base where the new rail was due to be installed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Do you know, I was thinking exactly the same about the blacksmith - perhaps it was that curry he had the night before. Not in them days it would have bin Pigs Trotters or Stuffed Hearts! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 17, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) The tracks are now across Colmore Circus where the road is currently closed. Seemed to have got the curved track to fit this time unlike the entrance to Bull street where they are still mis-aligned! (They have been like that for months, whilst they carry on with work elsewhere) Keith Edited April 17, 2014 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNCF stephen Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 There is a small section of what appears to be original tram track to the rear of the main Council House in Birmingham. It is about long enough to house a tram car so I wonder if it was ever used to showcase a heritage tram. Does anyone have any information regarding this piece of track? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 18, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) There is a small section of what appears to be original tram track to the rear of the main Council House in Birmingham. It is about long enough to house a tram car so I wonder if it was ever used to showcase a heritage tram. Does anyone have any information regarding this piece of track? It was installed when they re-vamped that section of road some years ago. AFAIK it is not left over from the original track that was there. It is just a piece of nostalagia, rather like the gas lamps they had in the city centre many years after gas was superceded for street lighting. Keith EDIT the last tram to use the original track was sevice 33 to Ladywood on 30 August 1947 Edited April 18, 2014 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 24, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) Thursday 24th Crossover being installed in Stephenson Street More reinforcing at corner of Waterstones, including some shuttering for concrete. Some track laid and "finished" alongside the old Lewis's building in Bull Street - even has a tarmac top coat between the rails! The road crossing at Colmore Circus is well advanced. Something I have noticed is that where there are points, there is only a blade that moves, not the whole grooved bit. There being in effect a fixed, flange check rail instead. Keith Spelling corrected Edited April 24, 2014 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Having a blade moving within the groove is standard for tramway street track. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Thursday 24th Crossover being installed in Stephenson Street More reinforcing at corner of Waterstones, including some shuttering for concrete. Some track layed and "finished" alongside the old Lewis's building in Bull Street - even has a tarmac top coat between the rails! The road crossing at Colmore Circus is well advanced. Something I have noticed is that where there are points, there is only a blade that moves, not the whole grooved bit. There being in effect a fixed, flange check rail instead. Keith Any chance of a picture of that point in the near future? The two types I know of are the moving inset just rail head blade and the moving inset full girder rail blade. . Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted April 24, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2014 Any chance of a picture of that point in the near future? The two types I know of are the moving inset just rail head blade and the moving inset full girder rail blade. . Andy I'll have to remember to take a camera with me. My 'phone doesn't have a camera! (It's ancient) Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 11, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 11, 2014 Some pictures of progress so far, taken last Thursday. Close up of point in Bull Street: Looking from Bull street into Colmore Circus: The new road crossing in Colmore Circus: (Is this the first time traffic has crossed proper tram track in Birmingham since the 3'6" system's demise?) Re-inforcing the Waterstones corner: View along Stephenson St. showing big spidy thing used for concrete pouring and roughly laid crossover further along, outside New St. Station: There is also some progress getting the curved track in Bull Sreet aligned properly. I couldn't get close enough for a picture as the pavement that side is now closed off. Keith 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Look like the points still need some setting up. There appears to be double moving points, but they are going both ways in the picture. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Good to see that they've finished wrapping New Street in silver foil too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted May 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 12, 2014 Some pictures of progress so far, taken last Thursday. Close up of point in Bull Street: That's a great pic. Hi-tech with wheelbarrow -- has any wheeled vehicle changed less since Mr Stephenson used one hereabouts? Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 12, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) Look like the points still need some setting up. There appears to be double moving points, but they are going both ways in the picture. Andy They have been "messing around" with this crossover and the adjacent track for months. I thought they might have set it up when the point motor was fitted. As mentioned previously the pre-curved rail sections as the track goes through the "S" bend between Colmore Circus and Bull St.didn't line up, although they seemed to be rectifying that last Thursday. Keith Edited May 12, 2014 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 12, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 12, 2014 That's a great pic. Hi-tech with wheelbarrow -- has any wheeled vehicle changed less since Mr Stephenson used one hereabouts? Martin. Pedantically (is that a word?) It's more likely to Mr Brunel there as it is close to Snow Hill! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 That's a great pic. Hi-tech with wheelbarrow -- has any wheeled vehicle changed less since Mr Stephenson used one hereabouts? Martin. ' Well they eventually stopped pulling them straight up the sides of under construction railway embankments and cuttings with ropes. In that application they morphed into today's mobile excavators. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 15, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) A few more picture of the progress so far. Looking towards Hockley from Snow Hill where the tracks will be slewed over to the right: (The ground there was extremely overgrown a few years ago but has been cleared, once the tram tracks are moved the platform where the tram is passing will be returned to Network Rail.) The new bridge over Gt. Charles St. which replaces the one removed years ago: The trough, currently grassed over, where the tracks will run from Colmore Circus to the new bridge: (Yes the building does lean!) Looking into Colmore Circus with the new road crossing: (The current terminus can be seen below) A couple of stretches of concrete track base have now appeared in Corporation Street: And a somewhat out of focus shot to show that the curved track still hasn't been sorted: I notice that the short piece of finished track in Bull St. (alongside the old Lewis's building) was being really tarted up today. I wonder whether it is going to be used to display one of the new trams? Keith Edited May 15, 2014 by melmerby 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Mel, A Brummie,I left Birmingham in 1972, sadly, returning on few occasions. Snow Hill was derelict at that time. It's amazing the transformation that has happened over the intervening years. I didn't know that the Gt.Charles St. Bridge had gone, but good to see one back. Is that the remains of Taylor & Challen, so prominent in 1950's/60's pictures of Snow Hill, I can see in the first picture? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 16, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2014 Mel, A Brummie,I left Birmingham in 1972, sadly, returning on few occasions. Snow Hill was derelict at that time. It's amazing the transformation that has happened over the intervening years. I didn't know that the Gt.Charles St. Bridge had gone, but good to see one back. Is that the remains of Taylor & Challen, so prominent in 1950's/60's pictures of Snow Hill, I can see in the first picture? The span that has been put back (a new structure on old abutments) was the only one taken down I believe. Presumably the belief was that it would never be needed although the trackbed from Birmingham to Wolves was protected after the final closure in 1972. The building may well be Taylor and Challen although the eaves are not quite the same. e.g. http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrbsh1271.htm Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNCF stephen Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Great pictures. I believe that Platform 4 will return to Network Rail but won't be reinstated for some time, at least not until the Rowley Regis turn back facility is put in situ as far as I am aware. Interestingly there will be a new stop positioned at about where the tram is pictured running into Snow Hill. The new stop will be called St Chads and will replace the current Snow Hill stop. I also got some pictures this week but I just need to upload them. Hopefully I will get around to doing that tomorrow. I noted that on the New Street/Corporation Street road junction the Council are installing neighbourhood heating conduits which is interesting. Initially I thought they were doing some mopping up of the stat undertaker apparatus... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 16, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) Great pictures. I believe that Platform 4 will return to Network Rail but won't be reinstated for some time, at least not until the Rowley Regis turn back facility is put in situ as far as I am aware. Interestingly there will be a new stop positioned at about where the tram is pictured running into Snow Hill. The new stop will be called St Chads and will replace the current Snow Hill stop. I also got some pictures this week but I just need to upload them. Hopefully I will get around to doing that tomorrow. I noted that on the New Street/Corporation Street road junction the Council are installing neighbourhood heating conduits which is interesting. Initially I thought they were doing some mopping up of the stat undertaker apparatus... Interestingly the gaunt skeleton of the unfinished office block, consisting of the concrete stair and lift towers, on the corner of Gt. Charles St. and St. Chads Circus has been cleared to produce this park area which seems to be totally inaccessible at the moment!: Keith EDIT: Like the big game roaming on it! I tried to post a google maps view of the site as it was but all I get is a global shot! It always used to work. Edited May 17, 2014 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNCF stephen Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Thats an interesting looking park. I hand't seen it but I will be walking passed it on Monday morning. The blocks that were going in there were to be Birmingham's first 5* hotel and an apartment block. No doubt the recession has put these plans on hold or they won't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 17, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) Thats an interesting looking park. I hand't seen it but I will be walking passed it on Monday morning. The blocks that were going in there were to be Birmingham's first 5* hotel and an apartment block. No doubt the recession has put these plans on hold or they won't happen. It would have been a small hotel. It's not a particularly large patch of ground, having a smaller footprint than either of the office blocks built next to it! I assumed it was to be the third office block but shaped to take account of the corner site. Keith Edited May 17, 2014 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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