298 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 3- RfD were 90037-50 from new. 4- IC Mainline were 90027-36 from new. 8 Railfreight Distribution International (blue roof), 90033 had a diamond on the corridor side under the pantograph, the usual place was for both to be at the non-pantograph end (note the missing valence too). Variation of 11- unbranded Virgin (90007,8 when the class first went to Anglia), Incorrect liveries: Hornby 90020 in Parcels red and 90131 with a lighter variation of grey RfD International (as carried on an 86). Edited January 9, 2020 by 298 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, 298 said: Even earlier version of 18, 90029 needed in traffic so released in red but without DB logos. Edited January 9, 2020 by 298 Photo added 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorabain Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 hours ago, 298 said: Those two pics are going to cause quite a debate in 50 years time about "what colour red was it really?" 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, sorabain said: Those two pics are going to cause quite a debate in 50 years time about "what colour red was it really?" Good comment. (Neither look "right" to me! ) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, sorabain said: Those two pics are going to cause quite a debate in 50 years time about "what colour red was it really?" Nah! I'm more concerned about using the correct shade of "brake dust" to weather the underframe............................... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) oh, how lovely to see folk come out and update this , i'm going to do an updated list of 90 liveries in the next few days ... i loved seeing all the slightly different rfd liveries, i wished DB Cargo had sorted themselves out with their post EWS liveries, I think 90037 looks great in the tired DB livery but the others look naff and all a bit inconsistent , the class members left in EWS should have been given temporary DB treatment like 90037, with the DB nose logo central under the cab windows, the side logo instead of the EWS logo and on the central sides, the EWS wording totally removed and the numbers either maroon (like the 66's ... i.e. 66002) or the faded look (either/or but not a mish mash - come on guys at DB !! ) ... if i was a graffiti artist, i'd sneak in and give 90020, 90026 and 90039 what they are missing, instead though, i'll settle for having the 90's based at Johnson Street IEMD looking their best instead. Edited January 9, 2020 by DBC90024 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 22 hours ago, adb968008 said: Whilst ive no idea the intentions of LSL, but todate their diesel fleet has tended towards Past liveries, we have to see if the 90’s go historical In Intercity, or hysterical in a LSL house colour.... LSL uses predominantly mk1/2, so, in Intercity the 90’s are going to look a bit odd.. where as an 86/87 are more at home in blue...maybe they might go blood/custard to match the stock ? I was thinking about this the other day as I know that 90006 has been de-branded from Abellio Greater Anglia and although that is on its way to Leeds Midland Road to join the Freightliner camp in the loco transfer of 90003-90015. I understand that LSL have some 47's in the British Railways two gone green, i'd quite like to see the 90's (90001 and 90002) in that livery, or possibly the light blue BR Blue that the ''Les Ross'' one wears. They aren't going to be wearing DB Malcolm, they wont be wearing EWS, so, i'd be open to any livery as such. With the forthcoming Freightliner Orange 90044 and that of the Grand Central 90s, 021, 026, 037 and 039 due in Q2 2020 , we are already due some new liveries on the network and then the LSL 90s as well. Mmmmm . . . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) This was 90045 on its first day in service.. note it has buckeyes and rubbing plates... I rode it earlier in the day between Crewe to Manchester Piccadilly, I recall it was on Manchester - Birmingham diagram, and being informed at Crewe it was day 1... so I had to give it ago. I don’t have the exact date but I’ve got it as Summer 1990, probably end June / Early July as schools were just out. Edited January 10, 2020 by adb968008 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 hours ago, adb968008 said: This was 90045 on its first day in service.. note it has buckeyes and rubbing plates... I rode it earlier in the day between Crewe to Manchester Piccadilly, I recall it was on Manchester - Birmingham diagram, and being informed at Crewe it was day 1... so I had to give it ago. I don’t have the exact date but I’ve got it as Summer 1990, probably end June / Early July as schools were just out. Beautiful photo. Thanks for posting. Very unusual to see an unweathered one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) On 07/01/2020 at 23:52, DBC90024 said: Me too Classy52 ... well, i'm going to go one step on from this ... whilst i think its only a matter of time for 90024, I'd settle for any one of the DB/EWS era locos, from 90017 in EWS to 90040 in DB/DBS red, there are so many different variations on this theme and I'm sure Bachmann will do a fully fledged 90024 in DB Malcolm with all the bells and whistles and when they do, i will be at the front of the queue. On 08/01/2020 at 22:52, DBC90024 said: Ok, ok, im a big Class 90 fan, both real world and model, so here goes 1 InterCity Swallow - numbers 90001-90015 - Bachmann have done one - 90005 2 Freightliner Powerhaul - numbers 90042, 90045, 90048, 90049 - Bachmann have done one - 90042 3 RfD (correct name - Trainload Speedlink ) - numbers 90021, 90022, 90023, 90024, 90025, 90027, 90033, 90037 & 90038 - Bachmann have done one - 90037 4 Inter City Mainline - numbers 90027, 90031, 90032, 90033, 90035 5 Freightliner Green - numbers 90016, 90041, 90046 6 Freightliner Grey - numbers 90043, 90044, 90047, 90048, 90050 7 Freightliner Grey (minus triangles) - number 90142 & 90149 8 Trainload Speedlink - numbers 90021, 90022, 90023, 90024, 90025, 90027, 90033, 90037 & 90038 9 National Express Blue - numbers 90001-90015 10 Greater Anglia White - numbers 90001-90015 11 Virgin West Coast - numbers 90001-90015 12 EWS First Scotrail - numbers 90019, 90021 & 90024 13 EWS Maroon - numbers 90017, 90018, 90020, 90023, 90026, 90028, 90029, 90030, 90031, 90032, 90034, 90035, 90037, 90039 14 EWS faded decals - number 90017, 90020, 90023, 90026, 90028, 90030, 90031, 90032, 90035, 90037 & 90039 15 ex-EWS DB - number 90037 16 Belgian livery - number 90128 17 French SNCF livery - number 90130 18 German DB livery - number 90129 19 DB Schenker red - numbers 90018, 90029, 90036 & 90040 20 DB (minus Schenker) red - numbers 90029, 90036 & 90040 21 DB Cargo red - numbers 90019, 90028 & 90035 22 DB Malcolm Rail - number 90024 23 Revised Rfd Grey livery with EWS beastie logo on it - number 90036 24 Direct Rail Services - number 90034 25 ex DRS-DB - number 90034 26 ONE Anglia Blue - numbers 90001-90015 27 Abellio Anglia Blue - Union Flag livery - number 90009 28 RES red livery - numbers 90016, 90017, 90018, 90019 & 90020 29 Railfreight distribution (RfD) - 2005 onwards - on the sides of the loco - numbers 90021, 90024, 90026, 30 GNER - number 90024 31 Revised Railfreight Distribution - number 90036 Newest to the list 32 Freightliner Orange and black - number 90044 33 Grand Central - Black & Orange stripe (Q2-Q4 2020) - numbers 90021, 90026, 90037 & 90039 I think I have got them all.. With so many different liveries to choose from that do NOT clash with one being produced by Hornby, unless Bachmann has already committed to the Malcolm livery on 90024, why on earth would they produce that? Duplication is an unnecessary financial risk so don't raise your hopes or you risk being disappointed. Edited January 10, 2020 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, brushman47544 said: With so many different liveries to choose from that do NOT clash with one being produced by Hornby, unless Bachmann has already committed to the Malcolm livery on 90024, why on earth would they produce that? Duplication is an unnecessary financial risk so don't raise your hopes or you risk being disappointed. So, you don't think they will produce 90024 in Malcolm Rail when Hornby have just released it ... Bachmann released the Malcolm Rail Class 66 (412 ? and 434 ? ) several years ago ... and Hornby have just released those as well as in their 2020 model range, even though they are no longer in active service (as was part of DRS contract with Malcolm) ... clearly, they aren't worried about duplication ? Besides, Hornby and Bachmann aren't really in direct competition anyway. Bachmann are competing more with Hattons exclusives, Accurascales and a few other specialist manufacturers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, DBC90024 said: So, you don't think they will produce 90024 in Malcolm Rail when Hornby have just released it ... Bachmann released the Malcolm Rail Class 66 (412 ? and 434 ? ) several years ago ... and Hornby have just released those as well as in their 2020 model range, even though they are no longer in active service (as was part of DRS contract with Malcolm) ... clearly, they aren't worried about duplication ? Besides, Hornby and Bachmann aren't really in direct competition anyway. Bachmann are competing more with Hattons exclusives, Accurascales and a few other specialist manufacturers. Bachmann are competing with Hornby for the Class 90 market, which is much smaller than for the omnipresent Class 66. Also, Hornby copying Bachmann’s liveries with a cheaper model is not the same as the other way round. So I personally think Bachmann will prioritise other Class 90 liveries where they have a clear run rather than deliberately duplicate and risk theirs sitting in their warehouse. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold cambo74 Posted January 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2020 Im currently doing a few for customers .... 90040 The Railway Mission in EWS 90016 in Freightliner Green 90034 in DB Cargo (ex DRS Blue) 90135 Crewe Basford Hall in RfD 90019 Penny Black in RES Livery 90015 Colchester Castle in Greater Anglia White Plans to do .... 90044 in Freightliner Orange/Black 90034 in DRS Livery 90011 West Coast Rail 250 in Virgin Livery 90013 The Law Society in Virgin Livery Am sure there will be more from Bachmann ..... just under a month to find out and then another couple of years to wait ...... Ben 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, cambo74 said: Am sure there will be more from Bachmann ..... just under a month to find out and then another couple of years to wait ...... They do normally announce models well in advance but sometimes slip out re-liveries relatively quickly. 90128 seemed to appear with very little prior notice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 i would expect a Virgin 90 to hits shops quite quickly after announcement. I dont think there are any outstanding 90 releases yet to come so id be really surprised if this does'nt form part of the new 2020 range with short lead time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, brushman47544 said: Bachmann are competing with Hornby for the Class 90 market, which is much smaller than for the omnipresent Class 66. Also, Hornby copying Bachmann’s liveries with a cheaper model is not the same as the other way round. So I personally think Bachmann will prioritise other Class 90 liveries where they have a clear run rather than deliberately duplicate and risk theirs sitting in their warehouse. Thats nonsense... on the basis of this, Bachmann will produce only the models Hornby haven't, so why did they produce an IC Swallow and an RfD, both which Hornby have produced 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, DBC90024 said: Thats nonsense... on the basis of this, Bachmann will produce only the models Hornby haven't, so why did they produce an IC Swallow and an RfD, both which Hornby have produced Because (I think) they are different numbers of the same livery - not a one-off such as 90024. Remember - as an aside - Hattons original list of 66s didn't replicate any previous number/livery combinations on all previous 66 releases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Pete the Elaner said: They do normally announce models well in advance but sometimes slip out re-liveries relatively quickly. 90128 seemed to appear with very little prior notice. 90128 was a Collectors Club model though and they tend to just get released on the spot or certainly only announced a week or so before delivery. I certainly hope for more Class 90s to be announced soon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, newbryford said: Because (I think) they are different numbers of the same livery - not a one-off such as 90024. Remember - as an aside - Hattons original list of 66s didn't replicate any previous number/livery combinations on all previous 66 releases. Whilst no number/liveries may have been combined the livery itself is normally the main issue. I for one wouldn't care about the number of a particular loco, I'd be more bothered about if/what it was named and (in the case of the 66) what the lights are like 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, TomScrut said: Whilst no number/liveries may have been combined the livery itself is normally the main issue. I for one wouldn't care about the number of a particular loco, I'd be more bothered about if/what it was named and (in the case of the 66) what the lights are like Quite: Numbers may not bother you or me, but lots are concerned about numbers - they don't want two locos with the same number. Many folks are unwilling to renumber so duplicating a number/livery combo pretty much automatically reduces the sales potential. My original reply was concerning duplication of a one-off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, newbryford said: Quite: Numbers may not bother you or me, but lots are concerned about numbers - they don't want two locos with the same number. Many folks are unwilling to renumber so duplicating a number/livery combo pretty much automatically reduces the sales potential. My original reply was concerning duplication of a one-off. I get not wanting to duplicate a one off, it's more that how many people will also combine different models from different manufacturers in the same livery with different numbers? I'd have thought most of the industry would be whatever the best model and generally different models wouldn't be run together really closely as one would show the others flaws up too much? I haven't been back in this long but I know my Hornby 90 from the 90s would not look good next to my Bachmann one regardless of number or livery 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, TomScrut said: I get not wanting to duplicate a one off, it's more that how many people will also combine different models from different manufacturers in the same livery with different numbers? I'd have thought most of the industry would be whatever the best model and generally different models wouldn't be run together really closely as one would show the others flaws up too much? I haven't been back in this long but I know my Hornby 90 from the 90s would not look good next to my Bachmann one regardless of number or livery More than you think. There was considerable "discussion" on the Hornby 87 thread when they duplicated number/livery combos of previous Lima releases............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Hahahaha ok. I just couldn't see myself with various models with massive difference in perceived quality mingling. I have two Accurascale 37s on order and I own 2 Bachmann 37s but at present they are not clashing in terms of release so won't be moving the Bachmanns on (if and when the Accurascale ones prove better than them).... If they did I'd be thinking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, TomScrut said: Hahahaha ok. I just couldn't see myself with various models with massive difference in perceived quality mingling. I have two Accurascale 37s on order and I own 2 Bachmann 37s but at present they are not clashing in terms of release so won't be moving the Bachmanns on (if and when the Accurascale ones prove better than them).... If they did I'd be thinking Likewise, many - including me, will be running Bachmann 66s alongside the Hattons offerings. But there will always be those that will "trade up" to the newest release. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, newbryford said: Likewise, many - including me, will be running Bachmann 66s alongside the Hattons offerings. But there will always be those that will "trade up" to the newest release. I'll have Hattons 66 next to my 2 Bachmann 66s. But from a value perspective I hope Hattons don't do Evening Star or Harry Beck! Although at least I got a good deal on Evening Star (it's the NRM one and I got it better than RRP), Harry Beck I had to pay typical prices Edited January 11, 2020 by TomScrut 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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