Gazza Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Hi all, As any one got any photos or a drawing of the walkway area on top of the Molasses TTA Tank? Trying to find what,where the valves and delivery hatch looks like. I have been on various sites go kept a lot info (Paul Bartlett site) but can find any aerial shots of the walk way area Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon br blue Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Are the tanks you are looking for on the page linked below? https://www.flickr.com/photos/nicholasy/sets/72157631658415147/ Looks like the walkway is made from the same mesh/style used on other tank wagons, with strips around the edge and 2 sections splitting up the 3 tank fittings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlyduck Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Try entering United Mollasses TTA Tank wagons into Google.Top 1 has some of these tanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Hi all Can anyone give me some help on what blue was used on the centre section and the chassis of the this tank please see picture Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted January 6, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2015 Hi Gary Is it blue or black? I had always assumed it was black, but could be wrong. Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Hi Gary Is it blue or black? I had always assumed it was black, but could be wrong. Cheers, Mike Hi Mike Not sure it's a bit of both I have mixed various paints to achieve the colour but have failed miserably. Wasn't sure if any one new what the actual colour was or if any one as an idea what paints are used to mix the right colour Cheers Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Middle band on the tank itself I remember as a darkish blue - I even named the file "yellow and blue", but they were always dirty when I saw them. But on this photo I took, Severn Tunnel Junction in 1984, it looks very black, and in Photoshop, the RGB values off the band don't show much bias towards the blue: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Hi I did have a look via photoshop as well just thought there were be a BR standard colour that they used for the livery. Just really struggling to get the correct colour for the chassis and centre band of the barrel Cheers Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Probably not a BR standard colour as it was a PO wagon. What if you took the blue from the United Molasses logo at http://www.umgroup.com/about_business or UM trading (which also has a yellowy colour on the word "trading") at http://www.umgroup.com/divisions/trading Not a million miles away, with all the weathering? Edited January 6, 2015 by eastwestdivide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Hi the issue I have is to try and find a paint or mix of paints to get to the right colour or nearer enough to correct blue/ black. I have used railmatch precision paints humbrol and tamyia paints to try and get the correct colour but no joy I have mixed paints from the same manufacturer but no joy. I'm ok with the yellow it's just the blue / black areas I'm struggling with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Wasn't this centre band some form of rubberized paint that had been applied when the vehicles were used to carry noxious substances, to prevent the build-up of spillage on the tank body? In which case, it was black when new, weathering to dark grey; I worked for a firm that supplied it, and used it to underseal a car... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted January 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2015 Hi I've just checked the instructions that came with my NGS kit and it says Ochre with a Black stripe. No idea where the information for this came from though. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hi all Ready for a bit of weathering next. I think 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted March 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2018 Hi all Ready for a bit of weathering next. I think Hi Gazza, Do you have a photo showing the end wih the heater tubes? I'm doing some in N from the society kit but am unsure about how the instructions say to represent them. Also looking for a photo from above showing the vents and walkways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stafford junction Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 hello I have just finished a molasses tank based on the photos I took in wellington goods yard in the 80's when they were ex works and i see that you have already got my photo on your jan 6th 2015 post I dont know how you got it but the blue was a darker shade of royal blue almost navy but not as dark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted August 19, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 19, 2020 On 21/03/2018 at 20:21, Scottish Modeller said: Hi Gazza, Do you have a photo showing the end wih the heater tubes? I'm doing some in N from the society kit but am unsure about how the instructions say to represent them. Also looking for a photo from above showing the vents and walkways. Hi Do these help? Cheers Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 On 21/03/2018 at 20:21, Scottish Modeller said: Hi Gazza, Do you have a photo showing the end wih the heater tubes? I'm doing some in N from the society kit but am unsure about how the instructions say to represent them. Also looking for a photo from above showing the vents and walkways. https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/procormolasses/e2877cd35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted August 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, PaulCheffus said: Hi Do these help? Cheers Paul Hi Paul, Yes - that's a help. Phil H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted August 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, hmrspaul said: https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/procormolasses/e2877cd35 Hi Paul, Thanks for the link - it's reminded me that I still have bits to finish on the models. There seem to be a variety of walkway used - I'll have to check the wagon numbers and see f they are from different builds/makers. Phil H Edited August 19, 2020 by Scottish Modeller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) Another photo showing the heater tubes. https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/15/99/ This photo is the one I used to do the walkways: David Ford on flickr Mine, before and after weathering: Edited February 5, 2023 by Flood 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 That's a lovely bit of modelling and weathering. These tanks were formerly on caustic soda traffic, or something equally noxious, weren't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted August 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2020 Superb weathering, especially the cleaned patches over the data panels. I wasn’t aware of these tanks, when and where did they run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 18 hours ago, Flood said: Another photo showing the heater tubes. https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/15/99/ This photo is the one I used to do the walkways: David Ford on flickr Mine, before and after weathering: So what you do use / process to weather these please i did some 2mm ones last year 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) I didn't actually weather it, I get all my stuff done by Alex Carpenter of ABC Workshops (Lochnagar on RMweb). What I do know is that he only uses acrylics, due to health issues. In the past he has sprayed a light layer then cleaned back and then repeated the process to build up layers of dirt, I wouldn't be surprised if he used that method on this wagon. Brian, yes they were Caustic Soda originally. This is the only photo I have ever seen of one in original condition: Colin. They worked from Brierley Hill, Kings Lynn, Peterborough and Greenock (James Watt Dock) to Menstrie near Stirling. There was also a working from Greenock (James Watt Dock) to Inverurie which was booked for one of two ex Texaco TTBs owned by E G Steele. Edited February 5, 2023 by Flood 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Flood said: Brian, yes they were Caustic Soda originally. This is the only photo I have ever seen of one in original condition: Just sometimes comments on here can make one weep. The link does show the type of wagon that was a donor - but I don't think it became a molasses tank, and it was not the prototype of the model that appears to be being referred to, which was a much more standard 45t TTB. Caustic Soda https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/icicausticsodatta United molasses https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/procormolasses Some of the Caustic soda tanks also became donors for the conversions to UKF Orthophosphoric acid tanks https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ukforthophospacid Paul Edited August 21, 2020 by hmrspaul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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