Corrour Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Hi All, I'm currently drawing up the track & signalling layouts of the West Highland Line, using CAD. For Mallaig I only have the highly stylised final signal box diagram to work form, and ideally would like to see any drawings or photos of the track layout and signalling, from an earlier period. Can anybody help? Copies of drawings for Mallaig produced in return of course :-) Corrour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2015 Google Earth, old-maps.co.uk and various other sources should be able to help you get the trackplan correct. How early do you want to go? I know that I have a few photos (slides) from 70s and 80s although finding them might take a while.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium coronach Posted February 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2015 Hi All, I'm currently drawing up the track & signalling layouts of the West Highland Line, using CAD. For Mallaig I only have the highly stylised final signal box diagram to work form, and ideally would like to see any drawings or photos of the track layout and signalling, from an earlier period. Can anybody help? Copies of drawings for Mallaig produced in return of course :-) Corrour Many years ago, I wrote to BR ScR and they sent me a complete track diagram, including the shed / turntable. I will try to dig them out for you and post them here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrour Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 Many thanks gents....yes maps go some way but a BR diagram would be most excellent. An old BR hand has told me the layout didn't change much over its life, but when I'm drawing up a layout I like to use the 'base plan' to then show variations over time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
airighdrishaig Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Part of a picture on display in Mallaig museum. I hadn't realised there were sidings so far south of the station area. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium coronach Posted February 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2015 I wrote to ScotRail in 1989, who sent me these two diagrams..... Hope they help. Coronach 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium coronach Posted February 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2015 And a signalling sketch 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrour Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Hi Coronach, these are fantastic just what I was looking for! Many thanks Indeed. May even be able to do an early BR signal box diagram repro. Will send you copy of dwg when complete. Thanks Again C 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixteen 12by 10s Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Hi Just to add, if you model the station in the 70's or early 80's you get the chance to confuse everyone by using Reading tubular post WR signals Gary (Not my photo) https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmightycat/6261184673/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium coronach Posted February 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2015 Hi Just to add, if you model the station in the 70's or early 80's you get the chance to confuse everyone by using Reading tubular post WR signals Gary (Not my photo) https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmightycat/6261184673/ Yes, that is correct, complete with GWR red signal post finials! The original Railway Signalling Co signals would have been affected by corrosion due to the salty sea air. I guess the station canopy suffered from the same effect, which was why it was removed in the 1970s. Also, the gabled building on the right was the engineman's hostel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrour Posted February 13, 2015 Author Share Posted February 13, 2015 Hi Coronach, Finished first draft of Mallaig which a railway friend of mine in the west has checked....a few wee alts to do and then I'll post for your interest. One puzzle is control of sidings ('Fish Van Sidings) to the south. I have a copy sketch of the original RSCo. signal box diagram, which doesn't show them at all, as neither does the 1970's BR version....a puzzle. We think 2-lever GF controlled by Section Table gave access but can't be sure. Your drawings looks to have a GF beside the No.9 Section signal kind regards, R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted February 13, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2015 The track plan for Mallaig was in the RM sometime in the late 70s. We, the junior section of the Rhyl & District MRC, made a model of the station based on that plan; in about 1982. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 A slightly related question for anyone who knew Mallaig well. The nameboards (totems certainly and perhaps others) had a pale green background. I have never known if this was their intended colour (if so, unique) or whether the sea air had somehow affected the signs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium coronach Posted February 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2015 I would agree - a GF released by the single line Tablet would be the most likely arrangement. I imagine that these sidings were a later addition to the layout to relieve congestion in the station area and a GF would be an easy alteration with minimal impact on the mechanical interlocking. Of course the points would include a FPL and the sidings would be trapped from the running line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 A slightly related question for anyone who knew Mallaig well. The nameboards (totems certainly and perhaps others) had a pale green background. I have never known if this was their intended colour (if so, unique) or whether the sea air had somehow affected the signs. A quick look through flickr suggests to me that they were repainted at some point, see: https://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/6034210251 https://www.flickr.com/photos/d1015/6714774951 https://www.flickr.com/photos/beechwoodphotography/4773504654 The clue to me being the concrete kerbing below the sign becoming painted green along with the sign, whereas in the first (earliest) shot they're unpainted? A nod to the LNER history of the line maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) A quick look through flickr suggests to me that they were repainted at some point, see: https://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/6034210251 https://www.flickr.com/photos/d1015/6714774951 https://www.flickr.com/photos/beechwoodphotography/4773504654 The clue to me being the concrete kerbing below the sign becoming painted green along with the sign, whereas in the first (earliest) shot they're unpainted? A nod to the LNER history of the line maybe? Thanks for those. At least confirms that they were ScR blue at one time. I am 99% sure they were not painted. So either the blue faded (but would surely fade differently on landward side) or new green enamel ones were made and fitted. Edit: Just checked the dates on those photos. Just a two year gap. So that green is deliberate not a fade. It was three years later (May 1980) that I visited on a week-long Freedom of Scotland trip and noted the green signs. (Amazing to think that it is now 35 years since I was last in Scotland). Edited February 14, 2015 by Joseph_Pestell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrour Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Hi Coronach, Totally agree with your thoughts....... and the 1937 Sectional Appendix confirms Tablet Operated GF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emac Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 There is this on utube which may be of interest Railway Roundabout 1959 'The Skye Line (Fort William to Mallaig) 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium coronach Posted February 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2015 The fish sidings are shown in the film at about 11' 45''. Definitely a ground frame - the rodding is visible. It also shows the catch points Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I went to Mallaig in the late 1990's when working for Railfreight Distribution. The picture taken were with a cheap 35mm camera. Some are on Flickr, and I'm sure I've more stashed away. Hopefully they will be of some use: https://www.flickr.com/photos/55938574@N03/16309535297/in/album-72157650737949032/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/55938574@N03/16495465585/in/album-72157650737949032/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/55938574@N03/15875314523/in/album-72157650737949032/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/55938574@N03/16309196039/in/album-72157650737949032/ 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrour Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 These are excellent photos! Many thanks for posting! regards, R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBird Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I went to Mallaig in the late 1990's when working for Railfreight Distribution. The picture taken were with a cheap 35mm camera. Some are on Flickr, and I'm sure I've more stashed away. Hopefully they will be of some use: https://www.flickr.com/photos/55938574@N03/16309535297/in/album-72157650737949032/ 1 mallaig 01.jpg ... You can see my house from here! Hi Corrour, PM sent! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrour Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 Coronach, Davidbird, etc. Attached my draft drawing for Mallaig. It is part of a project to draw up and show the signalling on the WHL & C&O Lines, rather than for modelling purposes, and hence is not to exact scale. I generally maintain 10mm between tracks and scale from that to something that 'look right'. The drawings that David sent are from a later era that Coronach's, which this is based on, and I'll probably to a second dwg to show things at a later date as there seems to be various changes regarding buildings, tanks, etc. Any comments welcome. R Mallaig-lowres.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium coronach Posted March 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2015 Excellent drawing - very professional. Are you a signal engineer by any chance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrour Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 Hi Coronach, Many thanks that's very kind....I am an engineer but not in S&T sadly. I'm well on with my WHL & C&O dwgs so if you'd like to see some others send me a PM with your email. regards, Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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