rob D2 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Nice looking model, I'd have one if I had an appropriate layout. Is that the middle of a kitchen roll it's running down ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Yesterday I was working on the Met, and took the opportunity to have close look at the doors on an S8. No tape measure available, so I measured up with a piece of paper, marked the distance with a pen, and measured it later; hope that is accurate enough. Basically the (red door is edged with a 'C' or 'U' shaped rubber on the vertcal edge. The door is moved along a slot; apure sliding door rather than a plug type. If you look at the dimensions of the rubber from above, each side of the (black) rubber is 30mm. So that makes the door 30mm wider than the (visible) metalwork of the door, and also means it stands 30mm proud of the bodyside. I am ignoring the rubbers at the inner edge of the doors where they meet. Translate that to 00/4mmscale and see what it should be folks. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted August 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2015 0.4mm (rounded up from 0.393) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share Posted August 3, 2015 Thus intrigued I take out the digital calipers*. Measurement across the base of the car at the bottom of the tumblehome on a plain section of a centre trailer car = 34.09mm Measurement across the base of the car at the bottom of the tumblehome on a door section of a centre trailer car = 34.87mm Difference = 0.78mm /2 = 0.39mm *Increments of 2dp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 So pretty well dead to scale, by the looks of those measurements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted August 4, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2015 Whaaaat 0.03mm out! That means if scaled up to full size the doors are 2.28mm too narrow!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted August 4, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 4, 2015 Whaaaat 0.03mm out! That means if scaled up to full size the doors are 2.28mm too narrow!!!!!! I'll try to sort a few rivets out for you to count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purley Oaks Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Having watched the Sherlock Holmes repeat earlier this week and snatched a glimpse of Abbey Road again, working model tube trains do look cute. Am very tempted, but need an excuse (I know, rule 1) Mal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Blake Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Whilst were on the topic of Sherlock Holmes, 'Sherlock Holmes' No. 8 and four other Heljan OO Metropolitan Bo-Bo Electric Locomotives are due for release. Some of the pre-ordered models have already arrived in the mail and a few retailers might start selling them in the next few coming weeks.I know it's slightly off topic but I couldn't find any new posts or reviews for this model. Two other variations include No. 1 in wartime grey and John Hampden No. 5 in post war LT livery.Does anybody know if the LTM will sell any at the Depot Museum Shop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 3, 2015 Whilst were on the topic of Sherlock Holmes, 'Sherlock Holmes' No. 8 and four other Heljan OO Metropolitan Bo-Bo Electric Locomotives are due for release. Some of the pre-ordered models have already arrived in the mail and a few retailers might start selling them in the next few coming weeks. Patrick, whole thread here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/83644-metropolitan-bo-bo-ep-sample/?fromsearch=1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Blake Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Patrick, whole thread here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/83644-metropolitan-bo-bo-ep-sample/?fromsearch=1 Cheers a Review thread would be nice too once someone acquires a model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchy Wheeler Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Whilst were on the topic of Sherlock Holmes, 'Sherlock Holmes' No. 8 and four other Heljan OO Metropolitan Bo-Bo Electric Locomotives are due for release. Some of the pre-ordered models have already arrived in the mail and a few retailers might start selling them in the next few coming weeks. I know it's slightly off topic but I couldn't find any new posts or reviews for this model. Two other variations include No. 1 in wartime grey and John Hampden No. 5 in post war LT livery. Does anybody know if the LTM will sell any at the Depot Museum Shop? Yes, LTM did have them a week ago BUT they are top price, £135! Try Hattons at £107 and they give an excellent service. http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/1000399/1000588/1000672/0/Heljan_OO_Gauge_1_76_Scale_Electric_locos/prodlist.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchy Wheeler Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Re. the 'S' stock set it seems the end cars sit slightly higher than intermediate cars! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchy Wheeler Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Now here's a thought.... now Bachmann are involved with EFE maybe we might see ready to run versions of the EFE 'Tube ' stock? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted September 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2015 Now here's a thought.... now Bachmann are involved with EFE maybe we might see ready to run versions of the EFE 'Tube ' stock? As desirable as it is it is only a marketing/distribution agreement, both companies are still separate entities with no technical interface except that EFE may produce the occasional model to Bachmann's specification such as a bus in special livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Blake Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Re. the 'S' stock set it seems the end cars sit slightly higher than intermediate cars! I noticed this too. The coupling end of the DM car doesn't quite sit in profile with the adjacent trailer car. Although upon inspection, I discovered that the reason for this was because the DM Car body doesn't quite clip fully in place on the chassis. You can tell this by looking at the gap between the chassis and the door footplate. I have spent many an hour fiddling with this and haven't found the root cause. But my theory is that the interior seating mould is slightly raised by something caught underneath it, and the flush window molds stuck on the body get caught on the side. I hope to resolve this issue when I eventually make mods to the interior seating molds. Patrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tetsudofan Posted September 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 24, 2015 Its interesting that the difference in height between the end car and the adjacent has been mentioned here as a friend of mine was round a couple of nights ago and the first thing he pointed out was this height difference. To be honest I had not noticed the height difference whilst the unit was on the track but it does become obvious when the unit is stored on the wall at eye-level in one of the Train-Safe tubes: Also taken pic on my mobile phone so can show it to the appropriate parties on Saturday. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 The body retaining lugs are on the seating unit and clip into slots in extensions in the window glazing. So the problem may have several possible causes: The glazing was fitted too high in the low (trailer) car thus pulling the body hard down on to the chassis. or too low in the high (DM) car, keeping the body raised slightly off the chassis. The seating unit is sitting too high in the DM (end) cars thereby raising the body shell off the chassis. The DM (end) cars also have securing screws that go into posts projecting down from the roof. So the problem may instead be that the posts are too long and stop the body fully seating on the chassis. The coupling heights are slightly different and the DM coupling us mounted lower than the coupling on the trailer car, thereby forcing the trailer to sit lower on the bogie, or the coupling on the Trailer car is lifting the body up slightly on the DM car. The PCB in the DM car has sprung contacts that sit on top of the contacts from the wheelsets, possibly lifting it up slightly off the bogies. There is no PCB and hence no contacts on the trailer car, so it may sit slightly lower on the bogies. If this is the cause, it could be diagnosed by seeing if the body feels sprung and pushing down on it makes it sit on the bogies as opposed to floating above them on the sprung contacts and come into line with the trailer car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchy Wheeler Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Just seen this on the LTM shop site..... http://www.ltmuseumshop.co.uk/models/special-commissions/product/4-car-s-stock-light-sound-set.html also this for more info... http://www.train-tech.com/index.php/lighting/underground-train-lighting-sound Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tase Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 They were released for sale on Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchy Wheeler Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Oh dear... received my 4 cars 'S' stock train pack and 'Lighting and Sound' accessory yesterday from LTM... what a disappointment! One of the dummy pick-up shoes popped off when removing from packaging, defective electrical connection on one of the power cars, one of the rear red tail lights was dimmer than the other and generally very disappointing attention to details for £280. Needless to say the whole lot has been returned for a refund, Very disappointing, Bachmann need to tighten up their quality control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchy Wheeler Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Tase... I didn't think it 'funny'!....but rather concerning. It would appear to me that Bachmann and LTM have taken some short cuts to keep production costs down and profits up. For £280 I would expect a well detailed and smooth running model and sadly this S stock train pack doesn't in my opinion meet that criteria. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 8, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2015 I think you need to allow for certain faults slipping through, sounds like a late afternoon model. My second Metropolitan burnt out while running in but it's replacement runs sweetly after exchanging it. Quality control on mass production only pulls a sample for detailed test not every single one. My S set exhibited non of the faults you mention so if you really want one why not try exchange rather than refund? Not sure what you mean by poor attention to detail though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I noticed a little light "bleed" through the tail lights when the headlights are on on mine. When I take it apart at some time, I'll investigate separating the light conducting plastics or the LEDs, depending on how Bachmann have rigged it up in the first place. By separating them, I mean I'll use some paint or foil or plastic to stop light from one source entering the other.It is not a serious problem for me as the headlights are so bright, one hardly notices the little bit of red showing as well except at very close quarters - something that doesn't apply when tghe trains are actually running. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Tase... I didn't think it 'funny'!....but rather concerning. It would appear to me that Bachmann and LTM have taken some short cuts to keep production costs down and profits up. For £280 I would expect a well detailed and smooth running model and sadly this S stock train pack doesn't in my opinion meet that criteria. The model will have been commissioned to raise funds for the LTM. It is well detailed, and Bachmann do say that it needs to be run in. I'm afraid that your gripes sounded slightly trivial to me, or perhaps I have lower expectations about what you get for £280 these days, or maybe my standards are lower. I have no problems if companies seek to keep costs down and profits up. Without the profits they would go broke, and we would have no RTR models at all. I applaud Michael Walton and the LTM for their bold decision to commission the S Stock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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