Shedmaster Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 What about the 'NSE Area Managers Saloon', ADB975025 for the modern image fraternity ? I don't want one myself as I have some excellent etchings for my own version to replace the one in this picture, but with three liveries ( BR Blue/NSE and the current green, named 'Caroline and with rebuilt ends ) surely the nationwide travels of this thing would generate some interest, not to mention the variety of traction that has 'had a go' in the past ? I would have enclosed a pic of the real thing but do not wish to fall fould of copyright issues or upset the Mods ! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Russ (mines a pint) Posted March 19, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 19, 2010 Surely everything you need to build a really good push pull train is already available in 4mm. Two Heljan 27s and 6 Bachmann Mk.2s Cheers David :icon_clap: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I have just purchased a Grafar OO model of this. It differs from yours in that it has to square lumps on either side of the driving compartment. I am surprises at the lack of cab side windows when compared to a GWR Autocoach. The 'square lumps' are guards lookout duckets, not required on push pull coaches. However some conversions from LMS non-corridor brake thirds retained their duckets. BR continued building the LMS design after 1947 but incorporated two side windows in the driving cab. My model was of the Period II version, produced because it covers a longer period and allows my 'early LMS' regulars to have full panelled coaches (the Period III 'Stanier' variants barely lasted any longer under BR). One peculiarity of push pull stock on the London Midland Region of BR.....They often got lined livery even in the early 1960s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Cheese Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I would disagree with 10800 on the potential popularity of an r-t-r 4TC. With no third rail required they might be just as popular as the CEP - and perhaps boost sales of the Heljan 33/1 too. Indeed so, the real things got about all over the place on railtours in the past, particularly towards the end of the Cromptons time on the Southern. As well as the 33's of course the TC's could be used with Limby/Dapol 73's and the forthcoming 74! Given their verstility it does surprise me that they haven't been mentioned when various SR MU stock is being touted in general? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Since the OP first asked the question, things have improved a bit. Bachmann are producing the later Hawksworth autocoaches along with 6400 class tank engine in both 00 and N gauges. Dapol are also producing the SR push-pull Gate stock for Kernow in 00. I wonder if part of the reason is that push-pull trains are less interesting to operate than trains you need to run round? If you are going to go heavily for push-pull operation then you might almost just go modern image and model multiple units. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I suspect part of the answer is that people who actually travelled on and were familiar with push and pull trains are now getting distinctly long in the tooth. It is not something commonly encountered on preserved railways. The auto coach at Didcot is perhaps the exception, but due to the popularity of GW/BR (W) modelling, GW autos are also a bit of an exception and are 'known'. A lot of people (a majority?) model the railways they are or were familiar with. Something off the familiar beaten path like push-pull trains are a 'Here Be Dragons' category. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Warrior Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Hornby seem to be doing quite well with their BR conversion of the Maunsell stock, which had a very short life, so perhaps there is a market for an LMS push pull set. I would certainly like to see one. Some of the L&Y 2-4-2Ts were push pull fitted, as described elsewhere on this forum and, as has already been mentioned, the Ivatt Tanks were as well, so two potential Bachmann locos already available. Of course an LNWR Coal tank and/on a Midland Johnson 0-4-4T would also fit the bill nicely! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I wonder if part of the reason is that push-pull trains are less interesting to operate than trains you need to run round? If you are going to go heavily for push-pull operation then you might almost just go modern image and model multiple units. A modern image multiple-unit with a steam loco one one end.......yes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted February 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 27, 2014 As someone with an interest in the S&D, I'd REALLY like to see a 4mm Johnson 0-4-4T! I'm not sure if the S&D locos were ever auto fitted - somehow I doubt it as I've never seen a pic of a push-pull train on the line. Can anyone add to this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Hornby seem to be doing quite well with their BR conversion of the Maunsell stock, which had a very short life, so perhaps there is a market for an LMS push pull set. I would certainly like to see one. Some of the L&Y 2-4-2Ts were push pull fitted, as described elsewhere on this forum and, as has already been mentioned, the Ivatt Tanks were as well, so two potential Bachmann locos already available. Of course an LNWR Coal tank and/on a Midland Johnson 0-4-4T would also fit the bill nicely! There were also some auto-fitted LMS 'Jinty' 0-6-0t; these worked around the Swansea area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clecklewyke Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I wonder how many remember that Larry (Coachman) Goddard used to produce beautiful RTR models of the ex-LNWR autocoaches with central sliding doors, as used on the Delph line (which ran, of course, through Greenfield. I wish he'd do another run of these - or sell the etched kits for them. I'm sure they'd go like hot cakes! Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 As someone with an interest in the S&D, I'd REALLY like to see a 4mm Johnson 0-4-4T! I'm not sure if the S&D locos were ever auto fitted - somehow I doubt it as I've never seen a pic of a push-pull train on the line. Can anyone add to this? Yes, several of them were fitted for pull-push working. For example 58047 as see here and in model form here. The Wells branch train was often a mixed motor train with a wagon or two and guards van at the appropriate end. Although used on the other branches, they didn't always run as motor trains. Nick edit ps. see also this topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I wonder how many remember that Larry (Coachman) Goddard used to produce beautiful RTR models of the ex-LNWR autocoaches with central sliding doors, as used on the Delph line (which ran, of course, through Greenfield. I wish he'd do another run of these - or sell the etched kits for them. I'm sure they'd go like hot cakes! Ian I built around 110 of these vehicles to a number of LNW diagrams and I don't know how I found the time to build them while still doing painting & lining full time. I suspect all the tools (negatives) were destroyed so there is nothing to sell. With the prospect of Greenfield actually being runnable this year, it is likely some of the LNWR push-pull coaches will be revisited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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