Rail-Online Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Again I call on the knowledge of you guys out there, these were parked outside Bude at an unknown date. What are they please and when were they built? The reg NBY 672 was a North London one if I read this website correctly http://www.motorcycle.co.uk/reference/uk-registration-letters-and-area-codes Cheers Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2015 The black one is a Morris Cowley and the two-tone job is a Ford Anglia 100E, both date from the mid-fifties though the Ford remained in production until the advent of the Anglia 105E in 1959. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Left is a Morris Oxford (Series II I think, but don't quote me) and right is a Ford Anglia 100E. The Oxford is not later than 1958 and the Ford is pre-59. Others may be more familiar with the minutiae of trim details to provide a more precise date but I'd put them both between 1955 and 1958. Or it could be a Cowley . Which is, after all, just the pov-pak Oxford . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith George Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 The grill on the 100E dates it to the 1954 - 1956 model. Keith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Surprisingly, the Morris was still available brand new.....[effectively!] up until maybe a couple of years ago!! As the Hindustan Ambassador! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 The one on the left definitely looks like an early Morris Cowley - 1954-56ish. There is none of the chrome embellishment of the Oxford and the quarterlights appear fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2015 The one on the left definitely looks like an early Morris Cowley - 1954-56ish. There is none of the chrome embellishment of the Oxford and the quarterlights appear fixed. It also appears to have semaphore turn indicators............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I believe none were equipped otherwise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Again I call on the knowledge of you guys out there, these were parked outside Bude at an unknown date. What are they please and when were they built? The reg NBY 672 was a North London one if I read this website correctly http://www.motorcycle.co.uk/reference/uk-registration-letters-and-area-codes Cheers Tony The second list (if you scroll down) is somewhat more accurate than the first. It has rather more detail on the subdivisions within counties. For instance CT and TL were Kesteven registrations rather than just Lincoln as listed in the first table. Using the second table BY is Croydon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2015 I believe none were equipped otherwise? Quite probably. This fire-breathing 1200cc power-house was something I only ever had the "pleasure" of driving once. Any ambition of doing much over 50mph had to involve a steep hill but the brakes weren't up to that sort of behaviour anyway......... In common with most of the knackered old wrecks I encountered in the late sixties, the "flashers" would have been the Halfords add-on variety. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 The Oxford bodyshell could be had with a 6-pot, 2.5 litre engine too, as the Isis {?] Dunno off hand if the brakes were still the same, however....? An Isis [?] was IIRC a viable option for racing & rallying , classic-car style, to the Westminster [A110 from Austin...which was much more common. I posted the below on another thread...may be of interest regarding timelines, etc..?? Posted Today, 12:44 https://www.gov.uk/g...he-driving-test The above is a timeline for various motoring events throughout history. The L-plate thing is probably more post WW2, when the advent of proper 'provisional' driving licences came into being? [there is a date where licences were no longer stamped a 'passed' when the test was passed] Interestingly, bus drivers were having to take a driving test some years before tests overall became compulsory [after a year of 'voluntary' arrangements]...but only at the discretion/insistence of the local Area Traffic Commissioner! Strangely, this situation.....ie, not 'compulsory', but, at the discretion of the Traffic Commissioner.....lasted until 1985....when PCV [PSV] tests became mandatory by Law! This, I now see, coincides with the withdrawal [as a compulsory display and identification means]......of the PSV driver's badge. Tests for lorries [Heavy Goods vehicle, as they were then?]...actually only seemed to have arrived some years after ordinary driving tests were instituted! If one interrogates/talks to old people, one may find that, there may be folk who took a driving test before WW2, yet, equally, there may be folk who subsequently did not take a formal test...because testing was suspended during WW2 and beyond! All very mixed up indeed. Edited by alastairq, Today, 12:45 . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 The Oxford bodyshell could be had with a 6-pot, 2.5 litre engine too, as the Isis {?] Dunno off hand if the brakes were still the same, however....? An Isis [?] was IIRC a viable option for racing & rallying , classic-car style, to the Westminster [A110 from Austin...which was much more common. I posted the below on another thread...may be of interest regarding timelines, etc..?? Posted Today, 12:44 https://www.gov.uk/g...he-driving-test The above is a timeline for various motoring events throughout history. The L-plate thing is probably more post WW2, when the advent of proper 'provisional' driving licences came into being? [there is a date where licences were no longer stamped a 'passed' when the test was passed] Interestingly, bus drivers were having to take a driving test some years before tests overall became compulsory [after a year of 'voluntary' arrangements]...but only at the discretion/insistence of the local Area Traffic Commissioner! Strangely, this situation.....ie, not 'compulsory', but, at the discretion of the Traffic Commissioner.....lasted until 1985....when PCV [PSV] tests became mandatory by Law! This, I now see, coincides with the withdrawal [as a compulsory display and identification means]......of the PSV driver's badge. Tests for lorries [Heavy Goods vehicle, as they were then?]...actually only seemed to have arrived some years after ordinary driving tests were instituted! If one interrogates/talks to old people, one may find that, there may be folk who took a driving test before WW2, yet, equally, there may be folk who subsequently did not take a formal test...because testing was suspended during WW2 and beyond! All very mixed up indeed. Edited by alastairq, Today, 12:45 . Yes, my mother never had to take a formal driving test because she worked for the Food Office during the war and was issued with a licence to drive their Ford Popular for delivery purposes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Sadly, my late Mother was attacked by the Japanese in Trincomalee [part of their Indian Ocean Raid]....where she found herself serving as a Leading Writer with the Royal Navy [23 years old at the time]. Didn't have the opportunity to ever get a driving licence! I don't think she ever took the experience personally, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipbadger Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 As the former owner of a 1955 Morris Oxford with the 1500 cc engine I can confirm the lack of 'go' of these cars, but at the time they kept up with vehicles of a similar age. From experience the chassis and running gear of the Morris was much better than the Austin Cambridge, the Morris having torsion bar suspension and rack and pinion steering. When I later bought a Farina series 6 Oxford I found the suspension and steering to be very inferior. With a bench seat in the front to give a seating capacity of six the earlier Oxford made a popular taxi, especially in rural areas. To show how things have moved on, after the opening of the first Severn bridge when travelling from Bristol to the Forest of Dean a 'rest' in the first layby on the Welsh side was required to allow the overheated engine to cool down even though I kept my speed to about 55mph. I would usually have several other cars with me also cooling down before continuing their journeys. Tony Comber Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted December 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2015 One possible dating clue is the two tone finish on the Anglia. My feeling is that this paint style arrived quite suddenly in the late 50s. Possibly contemporary print ads would allow an earliest date to be set. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 So did we settle on the dark one on the left being a Morris Oxford or a Morris Cowley? Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2015 I think the Ford 100E came in three ranges, all with more or less the same body shell. Anglia, Popular and Prefect. I have no idea of the differences. A mate bought the Popular version some years later, and found its wheezy/weedy side-valve engine meant there was a wrong gear - of 3 - for every occasion. The day the gear lever came off in his hand wasn't great, either. Stuck in 3rd, I think...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Because the 'lid' became unscrewed? The 100E bodyshell came in two & four door versions......plus 2 door estate and van versions. {Anglia, Prefect, popular, Squire & Escort....and Thames van.] The 107E was a saloon version with the OHV 997cc engine that went into the Anglia 105E. People forget Ford were still making the 103E [sit-up-&-beg-style] Ford Popular in 1959....after BMC had introduced the Mini!! Waddyawant gears for? [said Ford]...bottom gear, top gear, and one somewhere in between. Torque was the name of the game....plus, keeping on top of the tuning..something most forgot to do in those days. The 100E sidevalve needed to be warmed up first, before serious use. [As I discovered in Cornwall, with my 100E Escort!]......Only way out was up, both ways...not achievable unless the engine had been warmed up for 5 minutes or so from starting from cold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stringfingerling Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Speaking as a bit of nerd myself, I'm delighted to see this level of knowledge. I thought I was going to have something useful to say about these cars from my childhood, but I'm totally outclassed here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith George Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 One possible dating clue is the two tone finish on the Anglia. My feeling is that this paint style arrived quite suddenly in the late 50s. Possibly contemporary print ads would allow an earliest date to be set. Dave My first car was a 1955 100E and that was two tone, Grey and Maroon It was complete rubbish. Keith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2015 My first car (in 1969) was a very clean 1959 103E, bought for a fiver with a really smoky engine (8hp to boot so not original), for similar money I got a rotten '53 with a good motor, 12v leccys, a lovely pair of chrome King of the Roads (probably worth the fiver on their own) and a Land Rover wiper motor. It also had one of those odd aftermarket "heater" units spliced into the top hose (better than nothing, but only just). The school holidays were spent getting all the good bits swapped over (on mum's front lawn, which made me v, "Popular") and I towed the leftovers out to the scrapper with the finished article. I never drove it much as Dad got a company car that year and his '61 Hillman Minx was much more to my taste......... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 My experiences with the 100E Escort [the more basic, less flashy, version of the Squire, which had, I believe....seriously believe,......it had fablon fake wood on the sides? Ford did that trick again on the flash 'arries, with the Cortina mk1 estate!].....occurred largely circa 1970-'71....when it was bought as a stop gap [i was on shore leave for a month]....to get me around...I kept it for around 7-8 months, but only drove it for the first, and last, month. My shore leaves tended to be 4 weeks of driving around almost non-stop.....I loved driving....B&Bs all over the place...fitted a set of Dunlop Weathermaster town & country knobblies to the rear wheels. I actually was very fond of that Ford..it worked well, cost me £25, an oil change, new battery..and I was off. Even attended the Lands End trial in it. The thing seemed shorter than the saloons [probably the rust?]....certainly a lot more practical...possibly my first real hatchback? It was a very tactile shape...loved it. More so by miles than my first two cars,a Minor, and a Minor Traveller.....in which my then girlfriend & I slept for a whole 4 weeks, whilst driving around Devon & Cornwall. then a front tie bar punched its way through the chassis rail, as they were prone to doing! It was fixed, but the car was sold when I returned to sea.[by said girlfriend, who,come to think of it, never did send me the money!! I heard, many years later, she had married another naval type, and blundered off to New Zealand......] Whilst living & working in London [as a LT bus driver....excellent fun job!]....I used to frequent a scrappie in Lewisham....who used to 'sell' me the odd interesting car, which still had MoT, for around £20 a throw..to be returned when the ticket ran out. That's how I got hold of my 103E pop, which had a busted half shaft.He gave me a whole shaft, and lent me some oil drums...these, to stick under the car once jacked up, to drop the axle, replace the half shaft, etc...all done out in the street! That was a fun car..used whilst I had the engine out of my Sprite.... Bought off me by a hot rodder for a tidy sum [which I split with scrappie, only fair?].......I did some work for a fella ...and got paid with a Honda CB125 Benly Special, in a box..never registered, having only been raced up until then. I built it up, got it running, and buzzed around on it at night, no reg number....what a hoot?......Sold it for a modest sum to a nearby motorcycle enthusiast...but for nothing like the sums these rare bikes fetch today! Grrrr! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2015 The 100E was registered in late 1955. I too had a Morris like the one in the photo, mine was an Oxford and had the opening quarter lights, so I think the one in the picture is a Cowley. Indeed they were equipped with the semaphore turn indicators that often needed a thump on the door pillar to make them work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 At least for once good lookalikes of the bodyshapes exist in 1/76 with Oxford for the Morris, and Pocketbond Classix for the Ford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted December 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2015 That Honda Benly would have had twin leading shoe brakes front and rear....which probably meant it had more brake power than the aforementioned Ford cars! Plus an engine quite happy to do 10,000 rpm and not blow up or leak oil - the British bike industry's days were numbered from that point onwards. I remember the parental unit's Standard 8, another pinnacle of the British car industry. Not. Burned and leaked more oil than the Torrey Canyon! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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