jcredfer Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 "...seriously though..." How can the piling contractors be confident that this insitu technique does not allow ingress of salty sea water to a) seriously weaken the mix and B) initiate corrosion of the re-inforcement? Can someone please explain? dh Is that what the Ail can is meant to achieve - ie. slow the ingress of the salt water and without air, rust can't form anyway. I'm not sure that salt has ant great effect on the right concrete mix, as I have seen a number of coastal, port walls built with bags filled with dry-mix, stacked and simply wetted by the sea, to form lasting wall. One that comes to mind is the little port at Sidmouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 For someone admitting to being a tiny bit bored only last week, you've gone well over the top today! [i reckon it's about swanking off to the sweet little grandaughter - old joke: "Grandpa's Surprise Clifftop Picnic" by Eileen Dover] dh Far, Far, from the truth dh, I have also heard, that Esops Fable's, are all true stories. . Have you read this thread on Rmweb, Red Telephone Boxes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Is that what the Ail can is meant to achieve - ie. slow the ingress of the salt water and without air, rust can't form anyway. I'm not sure that salt has ant great effect on the right concrete mix, as I have seen a number of coastal, port walls built with bags filled with dry-mix, stacked and simply wetted by the sea, to form lasting wall. One that comes to mind is the little port at Sidmouth. Sid's mouth,maybe full of port, Well, it is Friday night. Please, don't ask technical Q's, I cannot answer ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 ................ My mouth had a glass of Windemere Port pass through this evening ... very nice too. Sid's mouth,maybe full of port, Well, it is Friday night. Please, don't ask technical Q's, I cannot answer ! .......... but it didn't supply the answer either ..... .......... apologies for stressing the brain in after grandchild moments ....... just recovering from 2 nights sleepover stress myself, so apology quite genuine ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 8, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 8, 2016 The red machine - coupled behind the dumper - is an 1100 litre bowser; not that such knowledge (obtained from the Speedy Hire website) actually let's us know what it is for - but it would hold a reasonable quantity of tea of course. "...seriously though..." How can the piling contractors be confident that this insitu technique does not allow ingress of salty sea water to 1) seriously weaken the mix and 2) initiate corrosion of the re-inforcement? B) Can someone please explain? dh Edit to cope with typing B) after a) The contractors are experts at making concrete piles (by this sort of method) in salt water, it's one their specialities as they do a lot of harbour work. So they no doubt use the right sort of concrete mix for a sea water environment. The rebar should be 100% covered in concrete but presumably the galvanised (or stainless?) tube we saw helps to protect it in the worst locations although they don't seem to have had enough on site to have used it on every pile. In any case presumably the rebar uses a type of steel which offers the best sort of corrosion resistance in this kind of environment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helcion Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) Very interesting 'insertion' sequence yesterday - thanks ! Do you know whether the boys are working weekends ? Harking back to the memory card problems & the possibility that some cards might 'lose' images after several sequences of deletion & re-use - might one answer be to use the card once only & never delete the images ? With 8GB SD cards available from £2.50 & with an ability to store hundreds of still pix, & cards available with much greater capacities, might this comparatively cheap form of storage, over & above your normal downloads onto internal & external hard drives, be a life-saver on occasion ? Edited April 8, 2016 by helcion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Very interesting 'insertion' sequence yesterday - thanks ! Do you know whether the boys are working weekends ? Harking back to the memory card problems & the possibility that some cards might 'lose' images after several sequences of deletion & re-use - might one answer be to use the card once only & never delete the images ? With 8GB SD cards available from £2.50 & with an ability to store hundreds of still pix, & cards available with much greater capacities, might this comparatively cheap form of storage, over & above your normal downloads onto internal & external hard drives, be a life-saver on occasion ? Thanks for your post Mike, Sunday's, off late, there has been no work, presume,one day has to be aloted as a day of rest. Saturday, there has been working parties, out on smaller site project's, knock off time,around 1300/1400, Out shopping,with the Missus,after 1400. Thanks for info,on card's. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Continuation of the pile process. (Thanks for the info on the red m/c.SM). The drilling rig,was moved,further up site,to let the dumper and red m/c,park up. The drill rig, was not in use, whilst we were there. by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) Next, for the cylinder, The crane driver,was told to sling his hook, over here. by David Todd 2012, on Flickr The concrete chute extension lengths' were fitted. by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr Edited April 9, 2016 by David Todd 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukebox Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Thanks for your post Mike, Sunday's, off late, there has been no work, presume,one day has to be aloted as a day of rest. Saturday, there has been working parties, out on smaller site project's, knock off time,around 1300/1400, Out shopping,with the Missus,after 1400. Thanks for info,on card's. Which is why, on site, Saturday is colloquially known as "Poet's Day". Or possibly more correctly, P.O.E.T.S day... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 As if by magic,the cement load,appeared. One lump or two ? It was a clean fill, no mess. by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Further down the site, the second load was,awaiting. by David Todd 2012, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Other onsite, work,yesterday, by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I wonder if, they are expecting,a Class 66, with a "Runaway Decoder" fitted, the track,can't be short circuited, as the power,has been shut off, someone,lost the Top Up card. by David Todd 2012, on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 The extracted spoil heap,from drilling. by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 The site for unloading the wagon's,from the last delivery,has been cleared and placed behind the buffer stop's. The next delivery, of material's is due,this coming Tuesday,12 April, 0730 arr. at Dover Priory. No doubt, the dry spoil,nearest the offices, will be loaded and removed from the site. Have to wait and see, what happens to the "wet" extracted spoil. by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) We, have now caught up with yesterday's visit to the site, no more photos. There is no plan to visit the site today. an email. late last night, requesting the g/children, stay,another night,till Sun.AM. They can't find a hotel, to upgrade to. I maybe sleeping,through the next week, to regain,energies lost, my older batteries,don't last long these day's. Edited April 9, 2016 by David Todd 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Fascinating stuff to look at, David. The silt-removal unit will be to remove the water that accumulates at the top of each tube, having been displaced by the concrete being poured in. It will also be used to clean the water that's been used to clean the drilling tools. The water can then be discharged in to the sea. The bowser will be to carry water for cleaning from the nearest hydrant ( I watched them do this when the new toll-plaza was being built next to the A20) The tube looks as though it could be stainless; I don't know what the criteria would be for using it or not. The steel for the rebar could be Corten, which oxidises on the surface, the oxide then forms a protective layer- it's the stuff that was used for the 'Angel of the North' and, more prosaically, for shipping containers. Concrete will set under water, as the Romans proved two thousand years ago; cement setting is the result of a chemical reaction, not a drying process. The risk to any cement or concrete in wet conditions is mainly through washout of the finer particles of sand and cement by water. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 So ....... that's how simple it is ............... to Harbour your Piles in Concrete ........ .... J 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Oh so the usual ointment wont work then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Ointment?? ................. Oh so the usual ointment wont work then? .............. not seen David mention any of that sort ............. ummm ............. maybe that's what is in that red cart?? ............... ..................................... .............................. .......................... ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that's an awful load of ointment ........................... ................... ............ .................................... I prefer the water truck, for use of rinsing things out ...... ........ ...... on the other hand, that is quite a volume in a trailer that SIZE!! J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) Oh so the usual ointment wont work then?There is an App. You can use, if someone answers the phone. App ointment P.S. No Site Visit,Today, Next, maybe 1000.hours,Tuesday. Edited April 10, 2016 by David Todd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsaire Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Thanks for all the pictures and giving your time David. Enjoy the break and we look forward to your report on Tuesday! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) Thanks for all the pictures and giving your time David. Enjoy the break and we look forward to your report on Tuesday! Thanks for your post. My calendar has changed somewhat. I have some photos to post, from Sunday,while the site was at rest. Also, some photo's from a walk from the top of Shakey,along the cliff top and down to Ad Pier. I cannot be at the site Tomorrow. Edited April 11, 2016 by David Todd 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 These are Sunday's (10 04 16). I will let you, determine your own orientation, of the piles. P1330993 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1330995 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1330997 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1330998 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1330999 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1340001 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1340002 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1340004 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1340005 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1340006 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1340007 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1340009 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1340016 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1340017 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1340018 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1340019 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1340020 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr End of Sunday's photos. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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