RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 22, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2022 The first bit of work for the viaduct. I’m working left to right, or East to West depending upon how you view it. The first part is the station entrance from street level up to the platforms, followed by some holes for the two shops. Next photo with various piece loosely sat in position… the entrance hall, just a wooden box with dirty red floor and cream walls. Then the boxes for the chippy and the TV rental shop. The chip shop will have a full interior whilst the rental place will just be a window display. There’s no ceiling on the shop interiors so that I can add lights. With these sections in place I can start the work on the frontages. Far and away the most important job is thinking up some ‘amusing’ shop names. Nominations gratefully accepted! 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenW Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 "In Cod We Trust" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 23, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2022 I’m very much enjoying a bit of extra time with the layout on the run up to Christmas… I’ve nearly worked through 60% of the timetabled moves now! The first run through takes a lot of time as I need to allocate stock, find fiddle yard roads and sort out conflicts across junctions. Hopefully it will eventually run at something approaching real time. A class 45 gets 1K53, the afternoon Bangor to York service, rolling across the viaduct and just beginning to snake across the junction onto the Warrington lines. Slightly further round the corner, passing the site for the incoming junction signal. There’s an embankment missing from here… The south end hasn’t been seen so much lately, with all the focus on the West end civil engineering. A 47 waits underneath the multi-storey before setting back to Bluebeck depot. An 87 is humming away, soon to move off and pick up the Euston service the duff has just come off. The DMU shortage continues. Happily no sprinters have made it into service yet, so a filthy 31 pulls a make shift DMU replacement set out of the carriage sidings to form a Crewe service. It will need to reverse from the middle road to get into platform 1, a move known locally as the Christleton shuffle, and performed with vigour by the 31’s driver. 14 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 23, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2022 Here's a little look at what's in store for the next hour or so at Christleton. Move number 341 is about 60% of the way through the currently planned 562 moves. That will probably go up by a few for ECS and light engine moves. Thanks to @St Enodoc for the format! No. Is the sequence number UD is whether the move has been updated to include fiddle yard and stock allocations (none of these have yet) Time @CJ is the time the move happens at. Org is origin on the model - FYC is Fiddle Yard Crewe, FYW is Fiddle Yard Warrington, FYH is Fiddle Yard Holyhead. P1 is Platform 1, UDT is Up Down Through (middle road), BY is Brewery Yard, RR is Run Round, CB is Christleton Bluebeck, ES is Electric Stabling, HR is Holding Road. Dest is detination, same codes as Org Headcode is the train's unique identifier. They are not unique. Desc is description of the train type Timing Load is copied from the Working Time Table (WTT). D210 means timed for a 47 hauling 210 tonnes; there are load adjustments for different classes. DMU(A) is new generation DMU, D1 is first generation DMU, 1 car powered in every 2. VB is vacuum braked. Real From and Dep are the timetabled origin and departure time. These are always shown in the WTT. Real To and Arr are the timetabled destination and arrival time. Destinations but not times are shown in the WTT, so many are currently xx:xx. If it says Christleton it is actually Chester in the WTT. Apologies to any Chester residents who feel downgraded to bus shelter status. Booked Loco This comes from the Loco Hauled Diagrams book and shows both class and diagram. 33.004 is a 33/0 and the 4th diagram for that class. 45.112 is a 45/1 and the 12th diagram for that class. I try to match booked traction as much as possible. 33.004 and 33.002 will both be allocated 33001 under loco, meaning for the Christleton operation they can be covered by the same model. Should a second 33 be acquired I may split the allocation. Eventually there will be a loco allocation whiteboard so you can see which model is booked to which diagram (thanks to @P.C.M). Vindictive operators can assign 47/4s to all 45/1 diagrams, just like in real life. Loco is the model diagram, for example 47401. I will then allocate a 47 to this diagram for the day. This helps work out how many of each class you need to run the model timetable. You often get 3 47/4s on scene together, but so far never more than 1 pair of 20s. This means I 'need' 3 x 47/4s, but a second pair of 20s is just indulgence. It does help prioritise purchases - another 47/0 would be much more use than another 45 (regrettably). Stock is the model stock allocated: 2 x Intercity rakes (IC1, IC2), 2 x Trans- Pennine rakes (TP1, TP2), 1 x semi-fast mk1s (SF), 1 x Relief rake (RE), 2 x parcels (PA1, PA2), Tanks (TK), coal hoppers (MGR, not yet available), Steel (St), ballast (CE), Speedlink (SLK) Formation is only used to denote something specific, as most sets run as fixed rakes. Exceptions include Sleeper car, TPO, GUV/BG for drop off / pick up, tanks for fuel road and vans for brewery. Comments the most common reference is to the page in the WTT e.g. the end of page 15 in section CH (Chester area passenger). I also add notes in here where I can't currently make the timetable work - e,g. all stock in the wrong fiddle yard, no available platform, traction issue (such as I can only fit 3 electric locos on the stabling point). Once I've done a whole run through I'll try to sort these out. I'm currently considering minor tweaks to the Warrington fiddle yard to sort a couple of issues. A quick scan at the next 75 minutes suggests you should watch the 33 through on the Llandudno, and then you've got 15 minutes of units to get a Maxpak coffee and a caramac, before heading off to the end of platform 2. No-one's sure if 1K08 is running today, but someone reckons 40122 might be using the path to get back to Crewe. Also, word on the station is that last week one of the lads got a cab ride in the 08 shunting the brewery... The chippy looks like it's still not open, so it might be some space raiders and trip up to Warrington for tea if 1E16 produces the promised peak, there isn't one on shed at the moment though, so it's not looking good. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 24, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2022 It’s well known that iphones learn words that you use frequently, often using them ahead of the word you intended to use. In this instance it’s not particularly embarrassing but it has caused some long explanations. And on that note, Merry Christleton everyone! Let’s hope Santa is well loaded with presents in ‘that shape’. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallaig1983 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 Merry Christmas to you too Andy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 25, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) Santa was very favourable for 1986 related gifts… The Fords in the car park of the electric stabling hint at a lot of discussion in the mess room. Finally an 86 joins the ranks, teamed up with an 87 for its first run out. A decent number of steel wagons are now available. A pair of 20’s take an empty rake north. Most of the time life is mundane. And there’s no end of units to maintain the mundane. There’s a Hooton, Llandudno and Manchester Victoria service waiting to go. But suddenly the mundane is blown away by a Sulzer blasting out towards the coast. Edited December 28, 2022 by 61656 Duplicate images 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted December 26, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2022 Almost the makings of enough units to run the service. Looks good for the period, although boring ‘cos everything was in blue/grey. Real life was boring livery wise then! Paul. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISW Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 13 hours ago, 61656 said: The Fords in the car park of the electric stabling hint at a lot of discussion in the mess room. Although not as 'interesting' (or weird) as the one received by a work colleague who had a new blue Ford Escort Mk3 company car in GL trim, but with L trim down one side! It's a strange World we live it, as if it existing now it would be worth more than a 'correct' car because it was unique. Back then it was a 'mistake' reducing it's worth. Ian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 27, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2022 Is there a finer way to fill the days between Christleton and New Year than with a festive special? Kingmoor’s celebrity 40, the erstwhile D200, brings a charter through the middle road. Not since the very early days of the 40’s has one hammered through non-stop. 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 28, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 28, 2022 Progress with the lower station entrance and shops. The basic form of the viaduct is beginning to take shape. The concept I had in my head seems to be working out. There’s a little bit of fun been had with the British Rail font, which includes lots of evocative symbols! Anyone for really tiny fish and chips? Only now that it’s in place have I noticed I can’t spell haddock! The shop will eventually be lit, so the detail should be viewable. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallaig1983 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 The portions must be really tiny at those prices! Nice bit of work there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 28, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, mallaig1983 said: The portions must be really tiny at those prices! Nice bit of work there. Thanks! I have no idea what anything cost back then, although I guess I could have worked it out, the bank of England inflation calculator suggests using a factor of 2.7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallaig1983 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, 61656 said: Thanks! I have no idea what anything cost back then, although I guess I could have worked it out, the bank of England inflation calculator suggests using a factor of 2.7. Oh I wasn’t saying your prices were wrong, just that compared to today’s crazy chippy prices they were rather mouth watering. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 28, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 28, 2022 Another running session this evening working a little further into the timetable and towards the evening peak. Every now and then I need a positioning move to sort out a fiddle yard imbalance. Prepping for the later cascade of containers going coastwards, I needed to move the Freightliner set from the Warrington yard to the Crewe yard. A 45/0 pulls the additional boxes over the viaduct and makes the (surprisingly good value) chippy rumble beneath. I’ll see if there’s a Trafford Park to Lawley Street service I can divert. The Christmas delivery of BAAs (or BBAs, I should look closer) was just in time for the evening Dee Marsh to Mossend. This is the first time I’ve done this particular move and it brings about this tantalising opportunity as the pair of 20’s run back towards Bluebeck depot whilst the 85 moves down from the stabling point. A more organised operator would have had the 85 waiting on the Up Warrington before the steels came in… I think this is the first time the 20’s have stabled on shed (but they may do earlier in the day, but I didn’t run the steel service due to absence of trucks). A satisfying amount of blue on display in the quad. With plenty of room for more… Finally, the 85 makes easy work of the loaded coils northbound (you’ll have to squint to see the coils, and indeed the overhead wires). A few of these services were double headed, which makes for an interesting prospect! That’s almost the end of the Christmas hiatus, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed getting some decent time on the layout. 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 29, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2022 Next down from Colin’s Quality Rentals is the rank of bus stops, so I’ve been doing a little research on buses. Look at this little gem on Flickr! They must have known… 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISW Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 That photo takes me back to 1978, and a bus tour using a brand new Chester City Daimler Fleetline (with Northern Counties body) from Chester to Liverpool and over the Pennines to Doncaster: In Liverpool: On the Pennines: Great livery and a nice bus to ride. I think the driver rather enjoyed himself, making a change from tootling around Chester and stopping every few minutes. Ian 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 29, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2022 43 minutes ago, ISW said: That photo takes me back to 1978, and a bus tour using a brand new Chester City Daimler Fleetline (with Northern Counties body) from Chester to Liverpool and over the Pennines to Doncaster: In Liverpool: On the Pennines: Great livery and a nice bus to ride. I think the driver rather enjoyed himself, making a change from tootling around Chester and stopping every few minutes. Ian Fantastic old pictures. There isn’t yet a Fleetline in Chester colours, but certainly a project for the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISW Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 3 hours ago, 61656 said: Fantastic old pictures. There isn’t yet a Fleetline in Chester colours, but certainly a project for the future. From what I can tell, you'll be repainting a model from another operator. See http://www.modelbuszone.co.uk/efe/dd/286/286idx.html#290 and look at those at the bottom of the page under Daimler Fleetline, for example 29009: I have the same problem with Burton-on-Trent buses (aka ESDC). Trouble is there are no models of a Daimler CCG5 with a Massey body. Best I can come up with is to use a CVG6 with Orion body (as it's 'mostly' right) and cut the front off (yikes!) and replace it with parts from a CVG6 from Bradford Corporation (or similar - with a front entrance), to get the front, cab, & front windows correct. Not looking forward to that! At least I can get hold of Midland Red and Stevensons buses that are appropriate. I have quite a fleet of Midland Red ready to use. Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 29, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2022 3 hours ago, ISW said: Best I can come up with is to use a CVG6 with Orion body (as it's 'mostly' right) and cut the front off (yikes!) and replace it with parts from a CVG6 from Bradford Corporation (or similar - with a front entrance), to get the front, cab, & front windows correct. Cutting the front end off a model bus? What kind of insanity is this? It’s just a bus.* *I now appreciate why Mrs 61656 looks at me funny when I got apoplectic about some mk1 coaches in a film about the 1930s… but still. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISW Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 37 minutes ago, 61656 said: Cutting the front end off a model bus? What kind of insanity is this? The expensive kind of insanity. The CVG6 with Orion body is reasonably priced but the CVG6LX with the 'correct' front end is rather more. At ~£45 for the pair - that I'm then going to butcher - I'm currently more than a little hesitant! Plus, I've plenty of other Projects to keep me occupied. Thing's would change if I found the necessary 2 bus models offered 'cheap' at a swap meet ... Ian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted December 31, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2022 At the risk of ‘peaking’ too early, here’s a new year’s wish for you all. And can you say it better than with a Scarborough to Bangor service? I took 3 photos and can’t decide which is least worst, so you can have them all! The next leg will be worked on by generator Duff 47402. 2023 promises to be another year of almost developments at Christleton. Many thanks for your support this year, I look forward to more to come! 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted January 7, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2023 Back home from a short break and found this little beauty waiting for me. The registration needs back dating, but they built Olympian’s from the early 80’s, so it should be ok. I think August 86 would have just seen the new ‘C’ plates come in. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISW Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 2 hours ago, 61656 said: Back home from a short break and found this little beauty waiting for me. The registration needs back dating, but they built Olympian’s from the early 80’s, so it should be ok. Very nice and classy. I do like Olympians, and the Chester livery is one of the better ones. Is this the start of a 'fleet'? Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 61656 Posted January 8, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2023 9 hours ago, ISW said: Very nice and classy. I do like Olympians, and the Chester livery is one of the better ones. Is this the start of a 'fleet'? Ian At £30 a bus it is a fleet! I’d like 3 or 4 waiting at the bus rank eventually. Ideally some older types too, but this is currently the only one in the right colour. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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