pod909 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) This isn't the first time but I've been pondering getting into railway modelling and looking into Hayfield station as a prototype (I know the site well). It turns out that a 2mm scale model of Hayfield would fit the space I have available. Given my preferences to take on a challenge for the sake of accuracy, the space available, the lack of anything RTR everything is drawing me to attempt 2FS. The question is, as essentially a beginner, am I bonkers? Edited February 5, 2016 by pod909 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 No you're not bonkers. I'd say go for it! I'm currently building Euston in 2mmFS and it's really my first attempt at proper track building. Do you have Templot? If not, you need this in your life as it will help you plan the layout. Once you have a printed plan on your baseboard you can work through the various turnouts at your own pace. Just take your time and you will be amazed what you can achieve. If it doesn't look right, start it again. The end result will guaranteed to be very pleasing and there is nothing better than hand built track. There are plenty of amazing track builders on this forum who can offer you some great advice. Don't hold back, go for it! Good luck!! Best regards, Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod909 Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share Posted January 19, 2016 I've seen what you've taken on with This is Euston. Now that IS bonkers. Keith Armes rather generously ran a scale Templot plan up for me and I'm probably going to ask him to do the point work. Certainly the 2 3-ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 The three ways aren't easy. I've just done one on Euston and I'm glad there aren't anymore. I actually find the double slips easier in some weird way! Good luck with your project, it sounds awesome. Be sure to start a thread on here so we can watch it as it progresses. Best regards, Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 The three ways aren't easy. Three ways (properly called tandem turnouts) are a doddle!! Here's the first built of 4 on Kirkallanmuir. You just have to keep your its about you! Seriously, though, I'm sure you'll find the results in 2FS far more satisfying than N, especially as it seems that you're going to have to scratchbuild most things in any case. Go for it! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoupler942 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Hi Jim I know interlaced sleepers is your prototype specification but I am curious (on the prototype) about the sleeper support for the left divergence (between the first and 2nd crossing). Obviously you have had all the full size info!. I once read that crossing timber arrangement is an art form especially when things get complex. Were the sleepers all 10" wide? Like I said, I'm just curious! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Tandem turnouts are not that bad. Best to get a bit of practice first though. Enough people have built trackwork in 2mm scale to prove it is perfectly possible to do. If you want to really go mad, why not try my current 2mm spacesaver project (3 turnouts in the same place!)............. (Sleepers, some crossings and checkrails left off the drawing to improve clarity) I have built enough of it to suggest it will function properly - but will my sanity survive long enough to complete it, I wonder? Maybe I was crazy to even think it up 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 This isn't the first time but I've been pondering getting into railway modelling and looking into Hayfield station as a prototype (I know the site well). It turns out that a 2mm scale model of Hayfield would fit the space I have available. Given my preferences to take on a challenge for the sake of accuracy, the space available, the lack of anything RTR everything is drawing me to attempt 2FS. The question is, as essentially a beginner, am I bonkers? Well, I was going to suggest that you get around the scratchbuild everything problem by using rewheeled and detailed r-t-r N stock, as I intend to, as a sort of half-size EM equivalent, but having looked at your favoured eras that's not going to fly really . Will watch your progress with interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bri.s Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You can get the wheels on steamers reprofiled I believe If your wanting GC loco's then apart from a couple that's RTR it's scratchbuilding ,there's not Even many kits about unfortunalty I'd love an N5,04 and C13 in N/2mm but the big company's don't seem to be bothered with GC stuff In N I think it's mostly midland Later BR stuff ,great western and a bit of southern for the steamers (I may be wrong ) lol Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod909 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Seconded on the N5. The donkey work on the line looks to be N5/F1/F2. Not sees any sign of a 2-4-2 chasy so far. Apparently Worsley Works habe a scratch aid kit for the C13. Slightly out of era for me i suspect. RTR the only option looks like a Bachmans or Union Mills J11. Any problem with converting them to 2fs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bri.s Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Seconded on the N5. The donkey work on the line looks to be N5/F1/F2. Not sees any sign of a 2-4-2 chasy so far. Apparently Worsley Works habe a scratch aid kit for the C13. Slightly out of era for me i suspect. RTR the only option looks like a Bachmans or Union Mills J11. Any problem with converting them to 2fs? Just had a look and the C13's started service in 1905 and were still in use in the 1950's so you could get away with them I'd think I'm thinking of having a crack at the worsley works scratch aid in the future I'm just starting to put together some info and get the drawings for them ,the June 67 railway modeller has the drawings in for the C13/C14 I think I've seen a company do a kit of the N4 think it was the twomm locomotive kits http://www.twommlocomotives.co.uk/TwommLocomotives/London_%26_North_Eastern_Railway_Locomotive_Kits.html Don't know much about this company but they do a few I wouldn't mind Have you joined the 2mm association ? Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod909 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Forms filled in this morning 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2mm Andy Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You can get the wheels on steamers reprofiled I believe If your wanting GC loco's then apart from a couple that's RTR it's scratchbuilding ,there's not Even many kits about unfortunalty I'd love an N5,04 and C13 in N/2mm but the big company's don't seem to be bothered with GC stuff In N I think it's mostly midland Later BR stuff ,great western and a bit of southern for the steamers (I may be wrong ) lol Brian Judith Edge kits did some shot down etches for the N5 in 2mm. Not sure if there are any left, but you could always drop them an email to ask. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAustin Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 This isn't the first time but I've been pondering getting into railway modelling and looking into Hayfield station as a prototype (I know the site well). It turns out that a 2mm scale model of Hayfield would fit the space I have available. Given my preferences to take on a challenge for the sake of accuracy, the space available, the lack of anything RTR everything is drawing me to attempt 2FS. The question is, as essentially a beginner, am I bonkers? No, go for it. FYI I did a search in The National Archives Discovery catalogue on Hayfield in RAIL (obvious), AN (After Nationalisation) and MT 6 (BoT reports: inspections, accidents etc) and turned up: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/2?_st=adv&_aq=Hayfield&_cr1=RAIL&_cr2=AN&_cr3=MT%206&_dss=range&_ro=any No idea which, if any are relevant in your case---well outside my area of operation. If you want any help in how to use TNA for research, contact me, byt be warned: research can get addictive and take over. Mark A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod909 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) RAIL471 and RAIL224 look like they may be useful but I'm not sure what level I could expect from the plans. They have records of the proposed LNWR Disley - Hayfield line too. That could make things interesting (way) down the line. Edited January 20, 2016 by pod909 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bri.s Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Forms filled in this morning Nice ,I've just become a member and waiting for my first parcel of goodies lol Brian Judith Edge kits did some shot down etches for the N5 in 2mm. Not sure if there are any left, but you could always drop them an email to ask. Andy Thanks I'll send them an email see what they've got Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod909 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) 3D printed N2 and C12 body shells. http://www.shapeways.com/shops/atso-cadmodels Edited January 20, 2016 by pod909 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod909 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Looks like the N5 is currently out of stock. I've inquired what the minimum order would be for them to consider doing a run What they have for 2mm: NER/LNER/BR EF1 Bo+Bo LNER/BR EB1 Bo+Bo NER/LNER/BR ES1Bo-Bo Hunslet 05 Hunslet 7051 Barclay D2400 Barclay class 06 Barclay class 01 English Electric/Hawthorn Leslie BR class 17 Clayton J63 Ruston 165DS Ruston 88 DS Hunslet 15” Sentinel 0-6-0 RH PWM650 NBL 2700 NBL D2745 English Electric/Baguley – Harton 13-15 currently out of stock SR/Paxman BR11001 – currently out of stock LMS/BR Jackshaft 12023-32 – currently out of stock Hunslet MDHB No. 32 – currently out of stock Hunslet 16” - currently out of stock NBL D2720 – currently out of stock CP Sentinel 0-6-0DH (1:160) – currently out of stock N5 0-6-2T - currently out of stock Hunslet 05 high cab - currently out of stock Yorkshire Engine Janus – currently out of stock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod909 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 The problem seems to be that they include more than 1 loco on an etc sheet and prefer to wait for those to sell out first. They do anticipate doing more in future so if you have an interest perhaps drop them an email and let them know! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bri.s Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The problem seems to be that they include more than 1 loco on an etc sheet and prefer to wait for those to sell out first. They do anticipate doing more in future so if you have an interest perhaps drop them an email and let them know! Thanks pod909 I'll have a look into that Brian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAustin Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 RAIL471 and RAIL224 look like they may be useful but I'm not sure what level I could expect from the plans. They have records of the proposed LNWR Disley - Hayfield line too. That could make things interesting (way) down the line. There's absolutely no way of knowing except by looking at them them. A plan could be anything from a simple sketch to a detailed drawing. The MT 6 Inspection reports often (but not always) contain highly detailed plans---often in the case of new work on an existing system shewing the new work overlaid in red on the original layout. To give an example, two documents I looked at were entitled something similar to Vale of Neath Railway stock. One was a two-page list of stock taken over by the GWR, one was a detailed engineering specification, down to the painting details (coat by coat).. MT 6 is in particular a bit of a nightmare. It was once described to me as having been compiled by someone who did not understand railways, and typed up by someone who could not read his hand-wrighting. Mark A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Hi Jim I know interlaced sleepers is your prototype specification but I am curious (on the prototype) about the sleeper support for the left divergence (between the first and 2nd crossing). Obviously you have had all the full size info!. I once read that crossing timber arrangement is an art form especially when things get complex. Were the sleepers all 10" wide? Like I said, I'm just curious! The arrangement of sleepers was based on advice I got from a member of the team which is building 'Burntisland 1884' in S4. This photo is cropped from one he sent me of one of their tandem pairs. The wheels in the background are those of 'The Diver'! Yes it's the 'opposition', NBR, but PW practice was pretty similar across the board. The sleeper gaps can get pretty lengthy, but there is no other way of arranging them. I wouldn't like to be one of the gangers trying to replace a sleeper in the centre! As far as I know they were on standard 8'11" x 9" sleepers. The chairs are nearly always running along the sleeper, except for the sleepers supporting the nose of the crossings where that sleeper was always aligned with those on the main road. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod909 Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 Some progress made on the front elevation of the station house. Not sure what to do with the stones in the wall. Include in the model, stick on stone effect afterwards or leave as is. The stone work on the prototype is pretty flat and probably wouldn't be visible at scale. What's the general consensus on the best approach for 2mm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Not sure what to do with the stones in the wall. Include in the model, stick on stone effect afterwards or leave as is. The stone work on the prototype is pretty flat and probably wouldn't be visible at scale. What's the general consensus on the best approach for 2mm? If the stonework is generally flat, then I would not put any relief on the model. Scribing the beds and joints and running a thin wash of white over them would be enough. An alternative might be the downloadable papers from Smart Models www.smartmodels.co.uk if there is a suitable one in the range. All the brick buildings on Mick Simpson's 'Wansbeck Road' use brick papers. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod909 Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 Thanks for the tip jim. Will try one each way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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