Hroth Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 I just posted this elsewhere, but realised that Grandpa had got it wrong. Surely this is his Lordship and the Memsahib on the beach at Hunstanton! Camel Corps sports Egg & Spoon Abbassia 1912 or 13.jpg Amazing what can be achieved with a tube of Seccotine! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 I feel a swift rendition of 'In a Monastery Garden' coming on, which, given my complete lack of musical talent, is not going to please the neighbours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted May 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 8, 2018 I feel a change from the profane to the sacred is in order. I don't know why, but it suits my mood this morning ... You can bare your soul to us, my son.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 I feel a swift rendition of 'In a Monastery Garden' coming on, which, given my complete lack of musical talent, is not going to please the neighbours. Put the Ketèlbey on and we can all have a cuppa! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted May 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 8, 2018 "Put the Ketèlbey on and we can all have a cuppa!" Andy: we have asked for the "groan " button before, Where is it? Cornelius Lundie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted May 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 8, 2018 But at least Dean had the decency also to create Mrs Kruger, the 2-6-0 version, and together they begat the Aberdares - which to my mind are a good cross between the Dean and Churchward eras. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 But at least Dean had the decency also to create Mrs Kruger, the 2-6-0 version, and together they begat the Aberdares - which to my mind are a good cross between the Dean and Churchward eras. Jonathan And this is now starting to sound oddly like the family tree from a period drama... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 But at least Dean had the decency also to create Mrs Kruger, the 2-6-0 version, and together they begat the Aberdares.... Being a Iot older than him now, I think I can understand how Dean must have felt (and admire him greatly for) realising things had to change and that the young guys might between them come up with the answers. From what I have read, he was alive to all the potentials. Compare him to that dour old autocrat Dugald Drummond and those gross 4-6-0s. Looked at from the ashpit of the WNR locoshed in 1903 this might have seemed as distant as wrestling with fractals and quantum mechanics are to most of us dh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted May 8, 2018 Author Share Posted May 8, 2018 Its the unfortunate offspring of Billy Dean and, ummm, Swindon Works..... Billy Kruger.jpg I bet the footlpate footplate crew are saying "Do we really have to drive this? " Eh? "footlpate"? Where the 'eck did that come from? Being a Iot older than him now, I think I can understand how Dean must have felt (and admire him greatly for) realising things had to change and that the young guys might between them come up with the answers. From what I have read, he was alive to all the potentials. Compare him to that dour old autocrat Dugald Drummond and those gross 4-6-0s. Looked at from the ashpit of the WNR locoshed in 1903 this might have seemed as distant as wrestling with fractals and quantum mechanics are to most of us dh It may be small minded of me, but I take comfort that, in the matter of ugly Edwardian locomotives, as with so many things, however bad things seem, they are usually far worse across the herring pond .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 ... Compare him to that dour old autocrat Dugald Drummond and those gross 4-6-0s. Looked at from the ashpit of the WNR locoshed in 1903 this might have seemed as distant as wrestling with fractals and quantum mechanics are to most of us dh Those 4-6-0s were certainly a blot on the (LSWR) landscape! btw, better check that box over there, see if the cats still inside.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 It may be small minded of me, but I take comfort that, in the matter of ugly Edwardian locomotives, as with so many things, however bad things seem, they are usually far worse across the herring pond .... Methinks the Colonials had seen Derwent and thought, we could make a bigger and "better" one.... And thus another round of "unintended consequences" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) It may be small minded of me, but I take comfort that, in the matter of ugly (Edwardian) locomotives, as with so many things, however bad things seem, they are usually far worse across the herring pond .... I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE. Edited May 8, 2018 by RedGemAlchemist 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted May 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 8, 2018 ugly6.jpg I ugly1.jpg COULDN'T ugly2.jpg AGREE ugly3.jpg WITH ugly5.jpg YOU ugly4.jpg MORE. Why? Just why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) Why? Just why? Reinforcing Edwardian's point for those (very very) few who'd try and correct him. Not that it needs reinforcing. Edited May 8, 2018 by RedGemAlchemist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) I get confused about which railway the 'Erie' was, but one of them got sensible and electrified part of its route, which was a sensible way not to need ugly steam locos. They used 25Hz 11kV single-phase, supplied from 60kV 3-phase transmission, so similar to the LBSCR and the little bits of the Midland in this country. Wouldn't West Norfolk look so much more attractive and up-to-date with some wire? Edited May 8, 2018 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted May 8, 2018 Author Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) Funny how Drummond and Robinson both seem to have struggled to make a truly fit-for-purpose 4-6-0s and ultimately had to return to the 4-4-0 format, where their designs were hugely successful. For Edwardian 4-6-0s, really Churchward was unsurpassed. What is it about the British locomotive aesthetic? Normally I dislike the smack of patriotic prejudice that my aesthetic preferences imply, but I cannot help but prefer the appearance of our native machines over that typical of many nations. I feel we were uniquely blessed in this, if nothing else! The Americans had quirky looking locos up to the 1880s, when they resolved only to build ugly ones. Continental Europeans were unable to resist festooning often otherwise attractive lines with terrific amounts of gubbins, as if to say "aren't I clever, I've found somewhere to put another pipe?". I realise that we had ugly locos, and ugly additions and modifications made to some, but we seem to have had far less than our fair share of them. The elegant lines and the clean outlines of British-designed locomotives do set them apart from practice elsewhere. Is the native design tradition especially beautiful, or am I merely conditioned to think so? Edited May 8, 2018 by Edwardian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted May 8, 2018 Author Share Posted May 8, 2018 Wouldn't West Norfolk look so much more attractive and up-to-date with some wire? No (!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Wouldn't West Norfolk look so much more attractive and up-to-date with some wire? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted May 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 8, 2018 But Peter Drummond did design a very successful 4-6-0, namely the HR Castle class. The most powerful loco class again at their introduction, free running and well liked by their crews.... Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) But Peter Drummond did design a very successful 4-6-0, namely the HR Castle class. The most powerful loco class again at their introduction, free running and well liked by their crews.... Andy G Even the losers get lucky sometimes. Edited May 8, 2018 by RedGemAlchemist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted May 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 8, 2018 No (!) You wouldn’t even consider moving the “Toonerville Trolley” to Norfolk?? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vlW8qKapHcc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted May 8, 2018 Author Share Posted May 8, 2018 You wouldn’t even consider moving the “Toonerville Trolley” to Norfolk?? Not when I have a whole album of steam-outline Heath Robinson designs to contemplate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) Not when I have a whole album of steam-outline Heath Robinson designs to contemplate Interesting choice of Chief Mechanical Engineer, that. Edited May 8, 2018 by RedGemAlchemist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATT Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 The Americans had quirky looking locos up to the 1880s, when they resolved only to build ugly ones. Continental Europeans were unable to resist festooning often otherwise attractive lines with terrific amounts of gubbins, as if to say "aren't I clever, I've found somewhere to put another pipe?". I've always wondered why I absolutely hate the appearance of most German steam locomotives unlike the majority of the fellow Finnish railway enthusiasts and now realized Edwardian said there why. Although we were influenced by German designs luckily our own designers appreciated more the clean appearance. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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