RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted September 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: It just gets worse. Found an actual pre-raphealite ditch on another spring-line. Ophelia, who, of course, did actually die in a ditch, had just drifted out of sight when I snapped these. There she goes... Public domain, is my understanding. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Well, yes, it was by a bridleway, so a public space. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted September 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2019 45 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: Ophelia, who, of course, did actually die in a ditch, had just drifted out of sight when I snapped these. Floatin’, not drownin’. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted September 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2019 I say, that's a bit "artistic" for this time of the day... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) Floatin' first; drownin' after. And definitely not in the buff. There is a willow grows aslant a brook, That shows his hoar leaves in the glassy stream; There with fantastic garlands did she come Of crow-flowers, nettles, daisies, and long purples That liberal shepherds give a grosser name, But our cold maids do dead men's fingers call them: There, on the pendent boughs her coronet weeds Clambering to hang, an envious sliver broke; When down her weedy trophies and herself Fell in the weeping brook. Her clothes spread wide; And, mermaid-like, awhile they bore her up: Which time she chanted snatches of old tunes; As one incapable of her own distress, Or like a creature native and indued Unto that element: but long it could not be Till that her garments, heavy with their drink, Pull'd the poor wretch from her melodious lay To muddy death. Which, thinking about it, makes clear that some callous soul stood idly by, committing the whole sad business to memory, but failing to pull her out. Edited September 17, 2019 by Nearholmer 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted September 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2019 Happy endings before cut off time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Northroader said: Floatin’, not drownin’. Breast stroke? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 46 minutes ago, Northroader said: Floatin’, not drownin’. Hmmm.... The water was a bit chilly for the time of year? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brack Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: Which, thinking about it, makes clear that some callous soul stood idly by, committing the whole sad business to memory, but failing to pull her out. Journalism innit. At least poor ophelia got a Christian burial in the end despite some debate, which offers some hope to our great leader... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Shurely this is the defining Pre Raph DoD image dh 2 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted September 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2019 25 minutes ago, Hroth said: Hmmm.... The water was a bit chilly for the time of year? Elizabeth Siddall says, "you want to know about that?" 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) Having googled since it dawned on me that there was something amiss about the way Ophelia’s death was reported, it turns out that Shakespeare analysts have a field-day over this point, whether it is simply The Bard riffing, whether The Queen made it all up, if so why, whether there actually was a witness, what really happened etc. PS: didn’t Ms Sidall have to lie in a bath of water to pose for this? I’m sure I read that somewhere. Edited September 17, 2019 by Nearholmer 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brack Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Elizabeth Siddall says, "you want to know about that?" Interestingly I've heard it alleged that she might've left a suicide note that rossetti destroyed so that her death could be ruled an accident and she receive a proper burial. Life imitates art indeed... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: PS: didn’t Ms Sidall have to lie in a bath of water to pose for this? I’m sure I read that somewhere. Apparently so. Elizabeth Siddal posed, fully clothed, in a tub of water. In November. "As it was now winter, he placed oil lamps under the tub to warm the water, but was so intent on his work that he allowed them to go out. As a result, Siddal caught a severe cold, and her father later sent Millais a letter demanding £50 for medical expenses" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophelia_(painting) 14 minutes ago, brack said: Interestingly I've heard it alleged that she might've left a suicide note that rossetti destroyed so that her death could be ruled an accident and she receive a proper burial. Life imitates art indeed... She married Rossetti and died of a laudanum overdose at the age of 32. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Siddal 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted September 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2019 ... after giving birth to a stillborn child. Depression wasn't well-understood in the mid 19th century. Rossetti buried his unpublished poems with her but had second thoughts, dug them up and published. 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 The Victorians did tragedy very well, didn’t they? I came across the one related under “marriage, scandal, and divorce” here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Charles_Mordaunt,_10th_Baronet at the w/e, when my good lady spotted an astonishingly cheap last-minute deal, and we ended-up staying at the hotel that was once their family home. Designed by Sir George Gilbert Scott, no less, the place later belonged to Danny la Rue! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted September 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2019 Fearing that many of the council are on the naughty step and likely to suffer the curse of a moderator I offer this as atonement Nick 4 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted September 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, nick_bastable said: Fearing that many of the council are on the naughty step and likely to suffer the curse of a moderator I offer this as atonement I have a feeling that provided we don’t get reported for copyright violations or being nasty to each other, they probably leave this thread alone. I know I would, in their shoes. (But that was over 10 years ago now.) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 Seems to me that when you venture here, either you will come to the rapid conclusion that it's arcane gibberish and leave, or you'll stay with a high degree of risk that you'll never leave. 6 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted September 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Edwardian said: Seems to me that when you venture here, either you will come to the rapid conclusion that it's arcane gibberish and leave, or you'll stay with a high degree of risk that you'll never leave. Nick 2 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) Compared with here, the Hotel California is a pretty benign place... Actually, that's a bit of a coincidence, I found that when I was sorting through a bunch of CDs this evening. I also found Led Zepps 4 Symbols too. (You know, Pathway to Paradise, etc) And a Van Der Graaf Generator collection, and Rick Wakemans Journey to the Centre of the Earth, and Tubular Bells, and Live at the Witch Trials.... Edited September 17, 2019 by Hroth 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, nick_bastable said: Nick Perhaps here we have a less exotic alternative .... 1 1 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Edwardian said: Perhaps here we have a less exotic alternative .... Less exotic, merely terrifying.... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hroth said: Less exotic, merely terrifying.... Not if you're Local 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted September 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, Hroth said: Compared with here, the Hotel California is a pretty benign place... Actually, that's a bit of a coincidence, I found that when I was sorting through a bunch of CDs this evening. I also found Led Zepps 4 Symbols too. (You know, Pathway to Paradise, etc) And a Van Der Graaf Generator collection, and Rick Wakemans Journey to the Centre of the Earth, and Tubular Bells, and Live at the Witch Trials.... and you brought to mind this introduced to me by a girl from the local High school ( the rest is censored) Nick 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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