david.hill64 Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 Hi David, in your last post you mention parallax error with regard to the sides. Earlier you mention forming the flares (plural). Looking at the photos if looks like you have flared the tender sides at the top as well as at the rear. Is that correct? There should only be a flare on the rear plate not the sides, which are flat apart from a deep "overlay" at the top. Not that I am an expert on GN tenders but I'm looking in Yeadon's book on A1s and A3s as I type. Cheers, Peter Oh dear! (or words to that effect). I have flared the sides as well. there were a few reasons for doing so: 1. The drawing I have (admittedly taken from Railway Modeller and therefore not necessarily 100%) shows the flares on the sides 2. If you don't flare the sides then the coal rails will be too long. 3. If you don't flare the sides then the rear flare will be too far away from the tender rear (consequence of 2). If it's wrong it's not too late to rectify but it will mean that I have to cut the coal rails to shorten them. This can be done by the rear upright. I am not going to do anything about it now. I am back to UK on Saturday and will look at the RCTS book (forgot to bring that with me last trip), Yeadons and the DJH kit. Last night I only had a short time at the bench, so was only able to fit the lifting eyes and cut out, clean up and emboss rivets on the frames, and cut out and clean up the tank supports. Edit: Ho hum: just had a look at the DJH website and it is clear that their GNR tender is straight sided for the most part with just a small flare at the rear leading into the flare of the rear section. Hence the rear view on the RM drawing will be correct, but as there isn't a sectional view then was somewhat misleading. Also found a photo that I hadn't found before that shows this. Grr! Looks like I won't be finishing the tender tonight after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAD Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Hi David, Sorry I rained on your parade, but it's better to find out now while you can still correct the error relatively easily. Just had to replace the chimney on my Scorpio 51XX after some knowledgeable contributor on here pointed out the one supplied was too small. Another thought - I assume you will be taking off the coal rails to flatten the flares, so would it be easier to add the bunker sides before refitting the coal rails? However, you do it, good luck putting it right. Cheers, Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 Hi David, Sorry I rained on your parade, but it's better to find out now while you can still correct the error relatively easily. Just had to replace the chimney on my Scorpio 51XX after some knowledgeable contributor on here pointed out the one supplied was too small. Another thought - I assume you will be taking off the coal rails to flatten the flares, so would it be easier to add the bunker sides before refitting the coal rails? However, you do it, good luck putting it right. Cheers, Peter Peter: no problem. One of the great things about posting here is that your inadequacies are pointed out and I get more than enough 'Likes' etc not to worry! I would much rather know at this stage rather than get to a painted model and be told. Straightening the side flares has been done. I am not sure if it is complete yet. There is a little ripple on the beading. I am going to wait until after my UK trip. If I don't think it is up to snuff I will file back the beading and fit new. In the following shots you can see that I have not yet attempted to get the coal rails under control. That will happen when the backing plates are added. I suspect that the absence of flairs will help! Tonight I have also cleaned up the axlebox castings and bored out their locating holes in the frames. Tomorrow evening is packing and beer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 Just got some nice photos from the RCTS download service. So it looks like the coal rails and beading are half round rather than flat. That being the case, then adding half round section will cover any ripple in the beading. I may have just gotten away with it.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Now thats always a nice feeling. I am sure we learn far more from episodes like this than when everything runs smoothly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 A good look at some photos shows that the flat etched beading and coal rails provided in the kit can be improved on significantly by using half round wire, so an order for several sizes has been placed for collection next week. I think I am going to cut off the existing coal rails and use them as a jig to make the replacements. I will then have to decided if the tender vertical and top beading needs to be ground off or whether adding the wire on top is an option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted April 6, 2016 Author Share Posted April 6, 2016 After a hectic trip home to pack some kits and collect various bits and pieces, I am now back in Bangkok at the workbench. I decided that the beading and coal rails needed improvement so I cut off the coal rails and used them as a template for new ones formed from half round wire. I decided that doing the beading in one strip would be impossible, so I cut small lengths to form the vertical beading and the bit round the bends. This was then soldered in place. The the rest of the beading was added. Followed by the coal rails. You can decide if it looks better or not! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano747 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Nice job. Looks far better than the etched variety!! Regards, Deano Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkallan Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Looks great David. Superb job! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverstreak Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 David I have a DJH A3 coal railed tender to do, it too has flat etched coal rails so it would be beneficial to know what size wire you settled on for this DA version. I've looked through my wire supply box and surprise, surprise no half round wire. I now need to order some in advance. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 .... 009.JPG You can decide if it looks better or not! Not a great fan of the coal-rail tenders as they tended to make the A1/A3 look antiquated, but your efforts make the appearance of it so much more refined than an etching would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted April 8, 2016 Author Share Posted April 8, 2016 David I have a DJH A3 coal railed tender to do, it too has flat etched coal rails so it would be beneficial to know what size wire you settled on for this DA version. I've looked through my wire supply box and surprise, surprise no half round wire. I now need to order some in advance. Bob Bob I used 1mm jewellers soft brass half round bought from a company called metalclays off eBay. The wire is soft and forms easily. Not as robust as half hard but still stronger than the thin etch. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverstreak Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Thank you David I've ordered some from the source quoted Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted April 10, 2016 Author Share Posted April 10, 2016 Frames, buffer beam and drag box added: Followed by the detailing strip and tank supports. Then the steps and guard irons. Looks like I need to adjust the coal rails a little. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Looks very good David. I never made any of the LNER's large locos in 7mm. I might have a V2 coming up which will be a first for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Looks very good David. I never made any of the LNER's large locos in 7mm. I might have a V2 coming up which will be a first for me. Join the club Peter! I foolishly bid on an A3 on Ebay, and won!! I have never wandered into NE territory so this will be a first for me too. Enjoying the build David. Now undecided which tender to go for as I would want to build it in BR condition. Regards Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted April 10, 2016 Author Share Posted April 10, 2016 Now undecided which tender to go for as I would want to build it in BR condition. Regards Sandy I tend to agree with Horsetan that the GN tender looks rather dated for such a good looking engine, but they had them well into BR days. Over at Western Thunder it was suggested that the inside front of the tender should be beaded so I did that and added the remaining bits. Over the next couple of days I'll go back to this and do more cleaning up where necessary but she's nearly ready for painting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Nice job David. Looking forward to the loco build now! Regards Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted April 11, 2016 Author Share Posted April 11, 2016 Not much photographic evidence of progress, but the frames have had the rivets embossed, spring assemblies laminated and fixed and fixed axle bearings located. The centre ones will float. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 Again it doesn't seem that there has been much progress. but this is the critical part of the build where getting it right is not optional! Nuts were soldered to the spacers as required and then the front and centre spacers added to one frame and the rear to the other. The tow frames were then offered to each other, checked for squareness, tacked together, checked again and then finally soldered. The front and rear wheels were then fitted to check that all four sit on the ground. next up is bending the frames around the rear spacer. Another job that will be worth doing with extra care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverstreak Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 David May I ask what size h/round wire did you end up using for the coal rails and beading on the tender. I have the 1.02 and 1.03 but just cant make my mind up which one to use. Decisions - decisions Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted April 16, 2016 Author Share Posted April 16, 2016 David May I ask what size h/round wire did you end up using for the coal rails and beading on the tender. I have the 1.02 and 1.03 but just cant make my mind up which one to use. Decisions - decisions Bob I think it was jewellers 18 gauge so 1.02mm but nobody will know if it's 1.03! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Hi David, Enjoying your loco builds, have you got a layout to run them on or do you just like the challenge of the builds? Regards, Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 Hi David, Enjoying your loco builds, have you got a layout to run them on or do you just like the challenge of the builds? Regards, Martyn. Thanks Martyn. My layout room is now the Gladiator stores! All of the recent builds have been commissions. The locos I have for myself are at the back of the queue. Cheers David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I do not have my room taken over by a business, but I know the feeling about building for for others and not doing the ones for youself. The Website looks good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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