Churminster & Stowe Magna, Southern Railway

[Tony Teague]

Andy

 

Thanks for the update - knowing that you were otherwise occupied, I had refrained from asking, but progress looks real.

 

Yes, I can send you the parts you mention, and I was also intending that we use the T9 backhead so I will sort out these bits and mail them.

 

Thanks again for taking this on!

 

Tony

[Tony Teague]

The Kirk / Maunsell brake composite is now completed barring couplings and some tweaking of ride height:

 

 

I don't think it looks bad, until you see it alongside the Hornby Maunsells, at which point the deep window mouldings stand out:

 

 

I guess that it is a model "of it's time" but whether it would look right in the ACE alongside an otherwise Hornby rake is questionable

 

I may have to find other uses for it.

Edited November 6, 2022 by Tony Teague

[Tony Teague]

I have also made further progress on the area in front of Churminster South signal box, so that one can now get long views into the shed and station:

 

 

In the distance, to the left one can see Wadley's Brewery buildings; these four shots were taken using focus stacking and I have posted them in larger format because the level of detail that one can see by zooming in is considerable!

 

(Just click on each image for the larger version).

 

The T9 in front of the box is one of my recent weathering projects:

 

 

The bare / unpainted wood to the centre left is the back of the control panel, which is difficult to omit at this angle; the "muddy" area to the bottom left is the location for the old village of Churminster, at the bottom of the hill and cut off from the newer part at the top when the railway came through. It will be the last area to get modelled on the whole layout because it is such a handy area to put things on!

 

 

Tony

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by Tony Teague

[St Enodoc]

I have also made further progress on the area in front of Churminster South signal box, so that one can now get long views into the shed and station:

 

LJP2018-09-16 09-18-20 (B,Radius8,Smoothing4)02180915.jpg

 

In the distance, to the left one can see Wadley's Brewery buildings; these four shots were taken using focus stacking and I have posted them in larger format because the level of detail that one can see by zooming in is considerable!

 

(Just click on each image for the larger version).

 

LJP2018-09-16 09-31-59 (B,Radius8,Smoothing4)02180915.jpg

 

The T9 in front of the box is one of my recent weathering projects:

 

LJP2018-09-16 09-43-16 (B,Radius8,Smoothing4)02180915.jpg

 

The bare / unpainted wood to the centre left is the back of the control panel, which is difficult to omit at this angle; the "muddy" area to the bottom left is the location for the old village of Churminster, at the bottom of the hill and cut off from the newer part at the top when the railway came through. It will be the last area to get modelled on the whole layout because it is such a handy area to put things on!

 

LJP2018-09-16 09-50-11 (B,Radius8,Smoothing4)02180915.jpg

 

Tony

How nostalgic it is to see the SuperQuick cinema in the background!

[Tony Teague]

How nostalgic it is to see the SuperQuick cinema in the background!

 

Yes, built years ago and now very dated / not up to current spec, but with so much still to be done, a re-build or replacement is not likely to happen!

 

Tony

[thegreenhowards]

The Kirk / Maunsell brake composite is now completed barring couplings and some tweaking of ride height:

 

SJPP915022802180915.jpg

 

I don't think it looks bad, until you see it alongside the Hornby Maunsells, at which point the deep window mouldings stand out:

 

SJPP915022402180915.jpg

 

I guess that it is a model "of it's time" but whether it would look right in the ACE alongside an otherwise Hornby rake is questionable

 

I may have to find other uses for it.

Tony,

 

The Maunsell is looking good but, as you say, it is likely to struggle in a rake with the Hornbys. Speaking from an LNER perspective, I find Kirk Gresleys look fine in a rake of their own, or even mixed with Thompsons or mark 1s, but I try not to mix them with Hornby or Brass sided Gresleys.

 

Andy

[Tony Teague]

Andy

Sounds like the best approach.

Tony

[Tony Teague]

About a month ago I reported the arrival of a 3D printed body for an ex-LB&SCR E6-X loco from Shapeways (one of my missing locos!) but have not managed to find time to work on it since - until now!

 

In fact, Shapeways had sent me an earlier, but faulty, print which they rapidly agreed to replace and so I turned this problem to advantage by using the faulty print as a test bed for painting schemes; here it is painted in white acrylic primer:

 

 

and then with an aerosol satin black - you can see the flaws in the print along the tank sides:

 

 

These tests have given me confidence that I will be able to achieve a presentable finish using the much better replacement print, and so I have now started to build the chassis, which is from an E6 kit by South Eastern Finecast; the E6 had identical wheel sizes and configuration to the E6-X which was derived from it:

 

 

For the experienced reader I should point out that this is only the third loco chassis that I have ever built! - I am therefore open to constructive improvement suggestions! It is seen sitting here in "Poppys Jig" - a device that I find most helpful - with the connecting rods placed along the outside so as to ensure the chassis is square:

 

I then checked this for fit against the body:

 

 

this revealed that whilst the body fitted snuggly at the rear, there would be a problem at the front, where the "foot" underneath the boiler sits exactly above a screwed brass frame spacer that protrudes above the top of the chassis:

 

 

Having soldered a further spacer towards the front of the chassis, I decided to remove the screwed brass spacer completely:

 

 

This has resolved the particular problem, but further adjustment(s) maybe required to get the ride height correct:

 

 

This is as far as I got today, so my next job will be to trial fit the wheels to the chassis to ensure that it runs freely, but also to confirm ride height and if necessary make further adjustments. I will then finish the chassis before moving on to detail the body.

 

Tony

Edited November 6, 2022 by Tony Teague

[AdeMoore]

Nice work Tony not seen the Jig before looks a good bit of kit.

Liking the E6 - x to.

[Tony Teague]

Thanks AdeMoore

I have no connections with Poppy's who also do various laser cut things in wood; I was recommended to the product via Tony Wright, see:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64295-wright-writes/?p=2540958

 

Tony

[Tony Teague]

Trial fitting of the wheels to the E6-X chassis showed that ride height was actually spot on - so no further adjustments required, although there is some adjustment neded in terms of how the body is fixed to the chassis - I am not sure that the 3D printed plastic can be drilled to take a bolt!:

 

 

So I pressed on and as of the end of the day I have a motorised, free-rolling chassis, which has been run in for a half hour on the rolling road:

 

 

During the build I discovered that the axle and smaller rear bogie wheels were missing from my chassis kit, so tomorrow I will be off to Scaleforum where Dave Ellis of South Eastern Finecast has offered to bring some with him - excellent service!

 

With the body now sitting on the chassis, it is beginning to look like a locomotive:

 

 

Although it has yet to receive any paint, the second print looks even better now that I have added the splashers, which come printed inside the loco body:

 

 

I also hope to pick up some brass fittings tomorrow, such as sprung buffers, clack valves, a whistle and firebox door handles tomorrow as I think these will add a lot to the look of the finished loco.

 

Tony

Edited November 6, 2022 by Tony Teague

[Mick Bonwick]

During the build I discovered that the axle and smaller rear bogie wheels were missing from my chassis kit, so tomorrow I will be off to Scaleforum where Dave Ellis of South Eastern Finecast has offered to bring some with him - excellent service!

 

 

Don't forget to visit the Missenden stand while you're there!

[Tony Teague]

Don't forget to visit the Missenden stand while you're there!

 

How could I not?

[Tony Teague]

Have not been idle since my last post and will soon post a further update but in the meantime, I have been going through the archives and came across this faded shot taken on Stowe Magna shed!

 

 

Tony

 

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by Tony Teague

[Tony Teague]

Some further progress with the E6-X !

 

Having 'parked' the chassis whilst waiting for missing bits, I moved over to the body and fitted brass / nickel silver handrails, clack valves, smokebox door handles and a steam pipe; the cab door-side handrails were particularly tricky as the 3D print is very thin in that area - so I was careful, but not careful enough and managed to break off both sets of rear steps!

 

I have yet to decide whether to re-attach them or to use nickel-silver ones that were included on the chassis etch; I also have brass sprung buffers for the loco but will not fit them before painting. I think the "face" of the loco is looking pretty reasonable:

 

 

I have given the body a first undercoat which shows that a little more cleaning up is required. The steam pipe on the left side looks a bit like a banana in the picture - it is better in real life but probably needs a little more work!

 

 

I now need to get the chassis completed - which is mainly about the rear wheels, plus the brakes, and then work out more precisely how the body will be fixed to the chassis - I am reluctant to drill the 3D print for a bolt!

 

 

The loco will be finished in unlined black and then weathered, and I am keen to get this one finished as the E5-X is waiting in the wings!

 

Tony

[Tony Teague]

Andy (thegreenhwards) has provided me with a progress update on his work on my LSWR / SR L12 loco.

 

The steps are now fitted and he has added the trim around the cab windows, smokebox door dart and Markits spring buffers, plus a coupling and lamp irons; he has also been fettling the fit of the body to the chassis and having moved the attachment point back 0.5mm and filed some brass off the inside of the splashers it now fits nicely with no shorting.

 

 

The loco is seen here performing a test run with 10 coaches on Andy's layout - haulage capability looks vastly superior to that of the T9 which donated the chassis and motor, probably because of the greatly increased weight of the white metal body:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqqstRvwGrw

 

Some detailing work remains before painting - addition of trim to the cab roof, fitting clack and snifter valves, plus handrails etc. The loco will be finished in wartime black + sunshine lettering - another one from the "missing list"!

 

Tony

Edited October 3, 2018 by Tony Teague

[thegreenhowards]

Some further progress with the E6-X !

 

Having 'parked' the chassis whilst waiting for missing bits, I moved over to the body and fitted brass / nickel silver handrails, clack valves, smokebox door handles and a steam pipe; the cab door-side handrails were particularly tricky as the 3D print is very thin in that area - so I was careful, but not careful enough and managed to break off both sets of rear steps!

 

I have yet to decide whether to re-attach them or to use nickel-silver ones that were included on the chassis etch; I also have brass sprung buffers for the loco but will not fit them before painting. I think the "face" of the loco is looking pretty reasonable:

 

SJPPA02000302181002.jpg

 

I have given the body a first undercoat which shows that a little more cleaning up is required. The steam pipe on the left side looks a bit like a banana in the picture - it is better in real life but probably needs a little more work!

 

SJPPA02000902181002.jpg

 

I now need to get the chassis completed - which is mainly about the rear wheels, plus the brakes, and then work out more precisely how the body will be fixed to the chassis - I am reluctant to drill the 3D print for a bolt!

 

SJPPA02000602181002.jpg

 

The loco will be finished in unlined black and then weathered, and I am keen to get this one finished as the E5-X is waiting in the wings!

 

Tony

Tony,

 

That must be magic primer. The naked 3D print looks a bit rough, but once in primer it looks really sharp. Great work.

 

This is probably the future, but it would struggle to match the haulage capability of a white metal boiler as the L12 video demonstrates.

 

I’ve been hard at work on the 12”:1 foot Stowe today. We got half the boiler derusted and painted. looking very smart.

 

Regards

 

Andy

[Tony Teague]

Tony,

 

That must be magic primer. The naked 3D print looks a bit rough, but once in primer it looks really sharp. Great work.

 

This is probably the future, but it would struggle to match the haulage capability of a white metal boiler as the L12 video demonstrates.

 

I’ve been hard at work on the 12”:1 foot Stowe today. We got half the boiler derusted and painted. looking very smart.

 

Regards

 

Andy

 

 

Hmmm.... the primer is not as magical as you think, and there are some fairly rough areas which will need attention before it gets a 2nd coat. I am awaiting some very small sanding sticks to get into small corners.

 

You are right about the haulage capability; fortunately the E6-X will take a lot of lead inside the boiler and side tanks, and it will need as much as I can get in there, because the body is light as a feather.

 

I think the truth is that this print is about as good as 3D printing gets at the moment - and it is worthwhile for the odd prototype for which no alternatives exist; the "assembly" work has been minimal and the cost is not much more than for a standard kit.

 

In the end I hope to get the finish to be good enough from "normal viewing distance" but it certainly won't stand close scrutiny against the finish of a modern RTR loco.

 

The experience I have gained on this will certainly be helpful as Javier has now finished a bit of re-working on the E5-X and will shortly move on to other locos that are on my "missing" list.

 

Well done on Stowe! If I was nearer I'd be keen to join in and I am certainly keen to see it in steam!

 

Best wishes

 

Tony

[Tony Teague]

A new arrival today from loco builder Chris Phillips was this model of East Kent Railway No. of the "Victory" class:

 

 

This loco was one of 10 built by Kerr Stuart in 1917 and was first owned by the Inland Waterways & Docks Dept, and used for shunting at Richborough Port in Kent; it was transferred to the East Kent Railway in 1919 where it worked local services to the Kent collieries. Technically it never came onto the Southern Railway's books as it passed from EKR to BR upon nationalisation where it was given no.30948 which it never carried. It was scrapped in 1949.

 

For me it is a "nice to have", having been serviced at Ashford Works in 1948 - so it will probably remain in near pristine condition.

 

 

Only after taking the pictures did I notice that the top lamp bracket has got bent in transit - it will be rectified! The model is from a kit by CSP Agenoria and is another one off my "missing" list, so here is a progress update on that topic:

 

Missing locos where the solution is now in hand (4):

LB&SCR Billinton E5X    (4) - 3D printed body now available + SEF E5 chassis kit held for assembly to start as soon as the E6-X is complete

LB&SCR Billinton E6X    (2) - assembly almost completed (by me) per previous posts, from 3D printed body + SEF E6 chassis kit

LSWR Drummond L12   (20) - assembly by 'thegreenhowards' very advanced from parts produced by Arun Sharma + Hornby T9 RTR chassis

SECR Kirtey R               (18) - assembly (by me) at advanced stage from SE Finecast R1 kit

 

Missing locos where a potential solution has been identified (10):

SECR Wainwright B1    (16) - a Jidenco kit exists but I can't find one (and it may not be that great!)
LB&SCR Billinton B4X   (12) - potential solution through a 3D printed body under exploration
LSWR Drummond C14  (3) - potential solution = CSP / Agenoria kit announced years ago but yet to be delivered
LB&SCR Marsh D3X      (1) - potential solution through indication of a forthcoming 3D printed body, chassis to be sourced
LB&SCR Billinton E4X    (4)- potential solution through a 3D printed body + RTR Bachmann E4 chassis under exploration
SECR Wainwright F1      (9) - solution = Jidenco kit held but not yet in build (& may be difficult / lacking accuracy)
SR Maunsell I1X             (18) - potential solution through a 3D printed body explored + Alan Gibson milled chassis frames obtained
LSWR Drummond S11   (10) - potential solution to use Arun Sharma's cast L12 parts + modified SE Finecast T9 chassis under consideration

Soton Dock Co. 0458      (1) - possible solution to modify CSP Agenoria kit CSP 04 identified & kit now obtained

DS75                                (1) - exploring possible solution vianewly drawn etches

 

Missing locos where no solution has yet been identified (3):

LB&SCR Marsh C3        (8)

KESR 0-8-0T Hecate      (1)

Fowler diesel shunter      (2)

 

So in summary, there is still a way to go, but there are solutions available for the majority of the missing locos - any additional or alternate solutions welcomed!

 

Tony

[Sandhole]

A new arrival today from loco builder Chris Phillips was this model of East Kent Railway No. of the "Victory" class:

 

SJPPA04000402181004.jpg

 

This loco was one of 10 built by Kerr Stuart in 1917 and was first owned by the Inland Waterways & Docks Dept, and used for shunting at Richborough Port in Kent; it was transferred to the East Kent Railway in 1919 where it worked local services to the Kent collieries. Technically it never came onto the Southern Railway's books as it passed from EKR to BR upon nationalisation where it was given no.30948 which it never carried. It was scrapped in 1949.

 

For me it is a "nice to have", having been serviced at Ashford Works in 1948 - so it will probably remain in near pristine condition.

 

SJPPA04000102181004.jpg

 

Only after taking the pictures did I notice that the top lamp bracket has got bent in transit - it will be rectified! The model is from a kit by CSP Agenoria and is another one off my "missing" list, so here is a progress update on that topic:

 

Missing locos where the solution is now in hand (4):

LB&SCR Billinton E5X    (4) - 3D printed body now available + SEF E5 chassis kit held for assembly to start as soon as the E6-X is complete

LB&SCR Billinton E6X    (2) - assembly almost completed (by me) per previous posts, from 3D printed body + SEF E6 chassis kit

LSWR Drummond L12   (20) - assembly by 'thegreenhowards' very advanced from parts produced by Arun Sharma + Hornby T9 RTR chassis

SECR Kirtey R               (18) - assembly (by me) at advanced stage from SE Finecast R1 kit

 

Missing locos where a potential solution has been identified (10):

SECR Wainwright B1    (16) - a Jidenco kit exists but I can't find one (and it may not be that great!)

LB&SCR Billinton B4X   (12) - potential solution through a 3D printed body under exploration

LSWR Drummond C14  (3) - potential solution = CSP / Agenoria kit announced years ago but yet to be delivered

LB&SCR Marsh D3X      (1) - potential solution through indication of a forthcoming 3D printed body, chassis to be sourced

LB&SCR Billinton E4X    (4)- potential solution through a 3D printed body + RTR Bachmann E4 chassis under exploration

SECR Wainwright F1      (9) - solution = Jidenco kit held but not yet in build (& may be difficult / lacking accuracy)

SR Maunsell I1X             (18) - potential solution through a 3D printed body explored + Alan Gibson milled chassis frames obtained

LSWR Drummond S11   (10) - potential solution to use Arun Sharma's cast L12 parts + modified SE Finecast T9 chassis under consideration

Soton Dock Co. 0458      (1) - possible solution to modify CSP Agenoria kit CSP 04 identified & kit now obtained

DS75                                (1) - exploring possible solution vianewly drawn etches

 

Missing locos where no solution has yet been identified (3):

LB&SCR Marsh C3        (8)

KESR 0-8-0T Hecate      (1)

Fowler diesel shunter      (2)

 

So in summary, there is still a way to go, but there are solutions available for the majority of the missing locos - any additional or alternate solutions welcomed!

 

Tony

One of the most aesthetically pleasing industrial tanks.

I have happy memories of Francis on the Bridgewater colliery system, running a Astley.

Damn shame she was not preserved!!

I have exactly the same kit as this running on my trainset. She has the Giesel ejector fitted that Francis finished with.

I also have my first model, a Center Models example. Not a bad kit for its day. This is awaiting me to build an Agenoria chassis for it. The kit chassis having gone the way of all flesh in the manner of all heavily used whitemetal chassis blocks!!!

                                                                                                      Chris.

[Tony Teague]

Hi Chris

 

Yes, a good looking loco - I haven't yet managed to give her a good run but I should manage that over the next couple of days I don't know of the Center Models kit but I can imagine what the whitemetal chassi block would have looked like!

 

Tony

[Tony Teague]

Incidentally, have just noticed that I started this thread exactly 2 years ago today!

 

Thanks to all of those who follow it, make comments and give feedback, we are up to 22,450 views which I am pretty pleased with.

 

Tony

[St Enodoc]

A new arrival today from loco builder Chris Phillips was this model of East Kent Railway No. of the "Victory" class:

 

SJPPA04000402181004.jpg

 

This loco was one of 10 built by Kerr Stuart in 1917 and was first owned by the Inland Waterways & Docks Dept, and used for shunting at Richborough Port in Kent; it was transferred to the East Kent Railway in 1919 where it worked local services to the Kent collieries. Technically it never came onto the Southern Railway's books as it passed from EKR to BR upon nationalisation where it was given no.30948 which it never carried. It was scrapped in 1949.

 

For me it is a "nice to have", having been serviced at Ashford Works in 1948 - so it will probably remain in near pristine condition.

 

SJPPA04000102181004.jpg

 

Only after taking the pictures did I notice that the top lamp bracket has got bent in transit - it will be rectified! The model is from a kit by CSP Agenoria and is another one off my "missing" list, so here is a progress update on that topic:

 

Missing locos where the solution is now in hand (4):

LB&SCR Billinton E5X    (4) - 3D printed body now available + SEF E5 chassis kit held for assembly to start as soon as the E6-X is complete

LB&SCR Billinton E6X    (2) - assembly almost completed (by me) per previous posts, from 3D printed body + SEF E6 chassis kit

LSWR Drummond L12   (20) - assembly by 'thegreenhowards' very advanced from parts produced by Arun Sharma + Hornby T9 RTR chassis

SECR Kirtey R               (18) - assembly (by me) at advanced stage from SE Finecast R1 kit

 

Missing locos where a potential solution has been identified (10):

SECR Wainwright B1    (16) - a Jidenco kit exists but I can't find one (and it may not be that great!)

LB&SCR Billinton B4X   (12) - potential solution through a 3D printed body under exploration

LSWR Drummond C14  (3) - potential solution = CSP / Agenoria kit announced years ago but yet to be delivered

LB&SCR Marsh D3X      (1) - potential solution through indication of a forthcoming 3D printed body, chassis to be sourced

LB&SCR Billinton E4X    (4)- potential solution through a 3D printed body + RTR Bachmann E4 chassis under exploration

SECR Wainwright F1      (9) - solution = Jidenco kit held but not yet in build (& may be difficult / lacking accuracy)

SR Maunsell I1X             (18) - potential solution through a 3D printed body explored + Alan Gibson milled chassis frames obtained

LSWR Drummond S11   (10) - potential solution to use Arun Sharma's cast L12 parts + modified SE Finecast T9 chassis under consideration

Soton Dock Co. 0458      (1) - possible solution to modify CSP Agenoria kit CSP 04 identified & kit now obtained

DS75                                (1) - exploring possible solution vianewly drawn etches

 

Missing locos where no solution has yet been identified (3):

LB&SCR Marsh C3        (8)

KESR 0-8-0T Hecate      (1)

Fowler diesel shunter      (2)

 

So in summary, there is still a way to go, but there are solutions available for the majority of the missing locos - any additional or alternate solutions welcomed!

 

Tony

Now the question that dare not speak its name...

 

 

 

 

What are you going to do once you've crossed everything off that list?

[thegreenhowards]

Now the question that dare not speak its name...

 

 

 

 

What are you going to do once you've crossed everything off that list?

1. Every coach type which was in existence at nationalisation including visitors...some nice teak!

2. Every wagon which may have visited at nationalisation!!!

3. Visiting locos as discussed a couple of months ago.

4. Some narrow gauge locos for that section of the layout.

5. Finish the scenery!

 

That should keep Tony busy!

[Tony Teague]

Now the question that dare not speak its name...

 

 

 

 

What are you going to do once you've crossed everything off that list?

 

A very good question - except that some of those listed are going to be pretty darn difficult, so I may not live long enough!

 

1. Every coach type which was in existence at nationalisation including visitors...some nice teak!

2. Every wagon which may have visited at nationalisation!!!

3. Visiting locos as discussed a couple of months ago.

4. Some narrow gauge locos for that section of the layout.

5. Finish the scenery!

 

That should keep Tony busy!

 

All dreadful suggestions , and there are other possibilities:

6. A model of every loco of certain named classes - Schools, Arthurs, Nelsons, spam-cans

7. One of every class in each of the three liveries prevailing at nationalisation

 

and although Andy mentioned the scenery and the NG bit, he didn't mention the Faller road system for which no prototypical period vehicles exist....

 

Tony