Churminster & Stowe Magna, Southern Railway

[Denbridge]

And so on to V - Z - although that won't mean we have finished!

 

Maunsell's Schools class (V) are just about my favourite locos of all - perhaps because of historic visits to the Bluebell Railway, and I am looking forward to seeing No.928 Stowe restored and running again in due course.

 

I have, as they say, got "several" of these but because I consider the most recent Hornby RTR model to be so good, I do not have any kit-built versions; here are samples in each of three liveries - first No.907 Dulwich in olive:

 

SJPP723003102180723.jpg

 

Then we have No.900 Eton in malachite:

 

SJPP723003402180723.jpg

 

and lastly, No.936 Cranleigh in wartime black:

 

SJPP723003202180723.jpg

 

Whilst I generally favour Maunsell olive, I feel that these locos look especially good in black; if you have a favourite "Schools" try me, and I just might have it!

 

On to "W", and Maunsell's chunky big tanks of class W, represented by No.1915 from a SE Finecast kit:

 

SJPP729001102180729.jpg

 

Then we have Mr Maunsell's 'spam cans', the West Country (WC) and because I missed them earlier, the Battle of Britain (BB) pacifics. The Hornby model seemed to me to be the first of a new era of improved RTR locos, although admittedly not in the class of the more recent Schools and Arthurs, but for this reason I again have no kit built examples.

 

Representing the Battle of Britain locos is no.21C163 229 Squadron; I have actually started to weather this loco, although it doesn't really show, and it is certainly not finished:

 

SJPP729000602180729.jpg

 

I have a number of BB / WC locos and aside from re-numbering, naming, coal and crew I have done little to them, so I suspect that some detailing would be of benefit alongside the intended weathering. For the West Country's we have No.21C109 Lyme Regis

 

SJPP729000902180729.jpg

 

And finally, so far as the 'lettered' classes are concerned, we have another big tank in Maunsell's class Z, No.954 from a DMR kit, and I note that quite by chance, both of the big tanks represented today are in he earlier Maunsell goods lined black livery:

 

SJPAB9A388602161128.jpg

 

Now there is a cautionary story surrounding this last loco; those of you with sharp eyes may have notices that there is something wrong around the front end of the boiler cladding on this model - I didn't notice it when I took the picture and nobody commented on it when I published it previously, however, it later became obvious that the brass tank had split / come undone underneath because when it was built many years ago, the dangers of mixing PVA glue with lead shot were not well known - certainly not to either myself or the loco builder.

 

So a short while ago, this is what I discovered:

 

SJPP703000402180703.jpg

 

and looking underneath:

 

SJPP703000702180703.jpg

 

Despite having built the loco for me over 16 years ago, Chris Phillips immediately offered his help in reconstructing the loco and at his suggestion I left the body to soak in water for 24 hours; after two such sessions the PVA had softened sufficiently for it all to come out with a little encouragement, and without further damage to the body which is now back with Chris for repair. So it looks like it will all end well - but if you didn't already know, be warned - do not use PVA glues to hold your lead shot in place!

 

So to conclude this post, I have re-posted the "missing locos" list, and in my next couple of posts I shall cover those classes that are numbered rather than lettered, plus a few sundry works locos, diesel and electric shunters etc.

 

The "missing" list:

 

SECR Wainwright B1    (16)

LB&SCR Billinton B4X   (12)

LB&SCR Marsh C3        (8)

LSWR Drummond C14  (3) - potential solution = CSP / Agenoria kit announced years ago but yet to be delivered

LB&SCR Marsh D3X      (1) - potential solution through indication of a forthcoming 3D printed body, chassis to be sourced

LB&SCR Billinton E4X    (4)

LB&SCR Billinton E5X    (4) - 3D printed body + SEF chassis kit held for assembly

LB&SCR Billinton E6X    (2) - 3D printed body + SEF chassis kit held for assembly

SECR Wainwright F1      (9) - solution = Jidenco kit held but not yet in build

SR Maunsell I1X             (18)

LSWR Drummond L12   (20) - solved, 3D printed, etched & cast by Arun Sharma, now in build on Hornby RTR chassis

SECR Kirtey R               (18) - solved, build in hand from SE Finecast R1 kit

LSWR Drummond S11   (10) - potential solution to use cast L12 parts and modified SE Finecast T9 chassis

 

Tony

And so on to V - Z - although that won't mean we have finished!

 

Maunsell's Schools class (V) are just about my favourite locos of all - perhaps because of historic visits to the Bluebell Railway, and I am looking forward to seeing No.928 Stowe restored and running again in due course.

 

I have, as they say, got "several" of these but because I consider the most recent Hornby RTR model to be so good, I do not have any kit-built versions; here are samples in each of three liveries - first No.907 Dulwich in olive:

 

SJPP723003102180723.jpg

 

Then we have No.900 Eton in malachite:

 

SJPP723003402180723.jpg

 

and lastly, No.936 Cranleigh in wartime black:

 

SJPP723003202180723.jpg

 

Whilst I generally favour Maunsell olive, I feel that these locos look especially good in black; if you have a favourite "Schools" try me, and I just might have it!

 

On to "W", and Maunsell's chunky big tanks of class W, represented by No.1915 from a SE Finecast kit:

 

SJPP729001102180729.jpg

 

Then we have Mr Maunsell's 'spam cans', the West Country (WC) and because I missed them earlier, the Battle of Britain (BB) pacifics. The Hornby model seemed to me to be the first of a new era of improved RTR locos, although admittedly not in the class of the more recent Schools and Arthurs, but for this reason I again have no kit built examples.

 

Representing the Battle of Britain locos is no.21C163 229 Squadron; I have actually started to weather this loco, although it doesn't really show, and it is certainly not finished:

 

SJPP729000602180729.jpg

 

I have a number of BB / WC locos and aside from re-numbering, naming, coal and crew I have done little to them, so I suspect that some detailing would be of benefit alongside the intended weathering. For the West Country's we have No.21C109 Lyme Regis

 

SJPP729000902180729.jpg

 

And finally, so far as the 'lettered' classes are concerned, we have another big tank in Maunsell's class Z, No.954 from a DMR kit, and I note that quite by chance, both of the big tanks represented today are in he earlier Maunsell goods lined black livery:

 

SJPAB9A388602161128.jpg

 

Now there is a cautionary story surrounding this last loco; those of you with sharp eyes may have notices that there is something wrong around the front end of the boiler cladding on this model - I didn't notice it when I took the picture and nobody commented on it when I published it previously, however, it later became obvious that the brass tank had split / come undone underneath because when it was built many years ago, the dangers of mixing PVA glue with lead shot were not well known - certainly not to either myself or the loco builder.

 

So a short while ago, this is what I discovered:

 

SJPP703000402180703.jpg

 

and looking underneath:

 

SJPP703000702180703.jpg

 

Despite having built the loco for me over 16 years ago, Chris Phillips immediately offered his help in reconstructing the loco and at his suggestion I left the body to soak in water for 24 hours; after two such sessions the PVA had softened sufficiently for it all to come out with a little encouragement, and without further damage to the body which is now back with Chris for repair. So it looks like it will all end well - but if you didn't already know, be warned - do not use PVA glues to hold your lead shot in place!

 

So to conclude this post, I have re-posted the "missing locos" list, and in my next couple of posts I shall cover those classes that are numbered rather than lettered, plus a few sundry works locos, diesel and electric shunters etc.

 

The "missing" list:

 

SECR Wainwright B1    (16)

LB&SCR Billinton B4X   (12)

LB&SCR Marsh C3        (8)

LSWR Drummond C14  (3) - potential solution = CSP / Agenoria kit announced years ago but yet to be delivered

LB&SCR Marsh D3X      (1) - potential solution through indication of a forthcoming 3D printed body, chassis to be sourced

LB&SCR Billinton E4X    (4)

LB&SCR Billinton E5X    (4) - 3D printed body + SEF chassis kit held for assembly

LB&SCR Billinton E6X    (2) - 3D printed body + SEF chassis kit held for assembly

SECR Wainwright F1      (9) - solution = Jidenco kit held but not yet in build

SR Maunsell I1X             (18)

LSWR Drummond L12   (20) - solved, 3D printed, etched & cast by Arun Sharma, now in build on Hornby RTR chassis

SECR Kirtey R               (18) - solved, build in hand from SE Finecast R1 kit

LSWR Drummond S11   (10) - potential solution to use cast L12 parts and modified SE Finecast T9 chassis

 

Tony

oops. The valve gear on the W seems to have re-arranged itself

[Tony Teague]

oops. The valve gear on the W seems to have re-arranged itself

 

Well spotted!

No wonder it doesn't want to move

Will fix it a.s.a.p.

Thanks!

 

Tony

[Tony Teague]

And so beyond "Z", and on to the SR numbered classes which were all ex-LSWR (with one possible exception - see below); of these, the first is the Beattie "well tank" class 0298, where both Nos.3298 and 3314 are recent RTR models from Kernow / Dapol:

 

 

They are well detailed models which simply have different liveries:

 

 

Next is the elegant Adams class 0395, where No.3441 is from a DJH kit:

 

 

The Adams 'radial' tank of class 0415 follows; the single preserved example has quite a following, but I am not a particular fan of what I feel is quite an odd looking loco. I have two models of this class, which have different liveries, but both of which carry No.3125, which is because I feel the first is a particularly poor RTR model by OO Works - perhaps their worst production:

 

 

Then we have the more recent and much better model by Hornby:

 

 

Finally, within the main range of operational locomotives is class 700, Drummond's "black motors"; No.325 and No.694 are both RTR models in different liveries by OO Works:

 

 

 

Duplicate numbered No.325 is the recent Hornby model - and I must get around to re-numbering one of the two of them!;

 

 

Finally in this category is the unique ex-SECR crane tank, No.1302, sometimes referred to as being of the "1302 class"; this model is from a kit by SE Finecast:

 

 

With that we have finally completed the main operational SR fleet as at nationalisation, however, there are some miscellaneous and departmental locos remaining, including diesel and electric shunters and I will cover these in a further, final post on this topic very soon.

 

Tony

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Tony Teague

[Tony Teague]

I thought that I would get on and close out the "A-Z of Southern Railway locos" - so that we can move on, get back to the layout, weathering, sourcing the "missing" locos, and more modelling!

 

Here then are the "sundry odds and sods" to complete the picture.

 

First probably should be the ex-LSWR, ex-Southampton Dock Company, Hawthorn Leslie class 0458 0-4-0ST saddle tank, no 3458 'Ironside' - but I don't have one, and in some ways I am reluctant to extend my "missing" list by adding a number of these very obscure, one-off locos that were not on the main operational roster. Nevertheless I am currently exploring whether a model of this one can be made from a kit for a different loco that is currently available from CSP / Agenoria, and so I will put it on there, at least for the present.

 

Next are the pair of ex-Plymouth Dockyard and South West Junction Railway, Col Stephens locos of classes "756" and "757", represented unsurprisingly by Nos.756 'A.S. Harris' and 757 'Earl of Mount Edgcumbe' - there was actually a 2nd class 757 loco, No,758 'Lord St Levan':

 

 

These are both from CSP / Agenoria kits:

 

 

Moving on we come to two classes each with a single loco, first the 'KES' class describing ex-Kent & East Sussex Railway No.4, a Hawthorn Leslie 0-8-0T that came to the SR in 1932 as No.949 'Hecate'; as with 'Ironside' above there is no known kit but I will add it to the "missing list" for the sake of completeness - but with little hope of ever crossing it off!

 

The second of these single loco classes is also the last SR steam loco, the ex-East Kent Railway 'Victory' class loco, No.4 'Victory', built by Kerr Stuart; technically this did not come to the Southern until nationalisation in 1948 when it was given the BR number 30948. So would it have been SR No.948, and should I include it at all - who knows! Suffice to say that for this one there is a CSP / Agenoria kit which I have and it is awaiting building; for that reason alone it will go onto the "missing" list!

 

And so to conclude, we move onto the few diesel & electric oddities, the first of which is DS1169, the Southern Railway's very own Ruston Hornsby 48DS diesel shunter; my model of this tiny loco is from a Judith Edge kit:

 

 

It will just about hail one wagon or milk tank!

 

Then we have two weird looking Fowler 0-4-0 diesel shunters, DS 400 and DS 600 - again there is no known kit and I'm most reluctant to add them to the "missing" list but I shall in the name of completeness.

 

Lastly under the diesel heading we have the three SR shunters built at Ashford in 1937 with English-Electric engines; these were certainly part of the operating fleet; my model comprises a Golden Arrow resisn cast body on a Bachmann Class 08 chassis:

 

 

And so finally to electric locos, and at this time there were only two, being DS74 and DS75; the former, the Durnsford Road shunter, is currently in build with Chris Phillips from a Judith Edge kit, and whilst the latter, the Waterloo & City line shunter, is on the "missing" list, a potential solution via a 3D printed body is under investigation.

 

So here is the final "missing" list, which seems rather longer than when I started this exercise! I have shown the latest updates and I will of course report in future as it changes (& hopefully gets shorter) via this thread:

 
SECR Wainwright B1    (16)
LB&SCR Billinton B4X   (12) - potential solution through a 3D printed body under exploration
LB&SCR Marsh C3        (8)
LSWR Drummond C14  (3) - potential solution = CSP / Agenoria kit announced years ago but yet to be delivered
LB&SCR Marsh D3X      (1) - potential solution through indication of a forthcoming 3D printed body, chassis to be sourced
LB&SCR Billinton E4X    (4)
LB&SCR Billinton E5X    (4) - 3D printed body in final 'tweaking' + SEF chassis kit held for assembly
LB&SCR Billinton E6X    (2) - 3D printed body in final 'tweaking' + SEF chassis kit held for assembly
SECR Wainwright F1      (9) - solution = Jidenco kit held but not yet in build
SR Maunsell I1X             (18) - chassis frames offered by Alan Gibson to be explored
LSWR Drummond L12   (20) - solved, 3D printed, etched & cast by Arun Sharma, now in build on Hornby RTR chassis
SECR Kirtey R               (18) - solved, build in hand from SE Finecast R1 kit
LSWR Drummond S11   (10) - potential solution to use cast L12 parts and modified SE Finecast T9 chassis to be considered

Soton Dock Co. 0458      (1) - possible solution to modify CSP Agenoria kit CSP 04 under exploration

KESR 0-8-0T Hecate      (1)

EKR 0-6-0T Victory          (1) - solved, kit in hand from CSP Agenoria

Fowler diesel shunter       (2)

 

A longer list than I would have liked, yet I am pretty happy with where I have got to after about 20 years or so!

 

I am sure that someone will point me at something that I have missed, and obviously any thoughts on the missing list will be most welcome!

 

Tony

Edited November 5, 2022 by Tony Teague

[Sandhole]

I thought that I would get on and close out the "A-Z of Southern Railway locos" - so that we can move on, get back to the layout, weathering, sourcing the "missing" locos, and more modelling!

 

Here then are the "sundry odds and sods" to complete the picture.

 

First probably should be the ex-LSWR, ex-Southampton Dock Company, Hawthorn Leslie class 0458 0-4-0ST saddle tank, no 3458 'Ironside' - but I don't have one, and in some ways I am reluctant to extend my "missing" list by adding a number of these very obscure, one-off locos that were not on the main operational roster. Nevertheless I am currently exploring whether a model of this one can be made from a kit for a different loco that is currently available from CSP / Agenoria, and so I will put it on there, at least for the present.

 

Next are the pair of ex-Plymouth Dockyard and South West Junction Railway, Col Stephens locos of classes "756" and "757", represented unsurprisingly by Nos.756 'A.S. Harris' and 757 'Earl of Mount Edgcumbe' - there was actually a 2nd class 757 loco, No,758 'Lord St Levan':

 

SJPSJPIMG_11340215113002151130.jpg

 

These are both from CSP / Agenoria kits:

 

SJPSJPIMG_11320215113002151130.jpg

 

Moving on we come to two classes each with a single loco, first the 'KES' class describing ex-Kent & East Sussex Railway No.4, a Hawthorn Leslie 0-8-0T that came to the SR in 1932 as No.949 'Hecate'; as with 'Ironside' above there is no known kit but I will add it to the "missing list" for the sake of completeness - but with little hope of ever crossing it off!

 

The second of these single loco classes is also the last SR steam loco, the ex-East Kent Railway 'Victory' class loco, No.4 'Victory', built by Kerr Stuart; technically this did not come to the Southern until nationalisation in 1948 when it was given the BR number 30948. So would it have been SR No.948, and should I include it at all - who knows! Suffice to say that for this one there is a CSP / Agenoria kit which I have and it is awaiting building; for that reason alone it will go onto the "missing" list!

 

And so to conclude, we move onto the few diesel & electric oddities, the first of which is DS1169, the Southern Railway's very own Ruston Hornsby 48DS diesel shunter; my model of this tiny loco is from a Judith Edge kit:

 

SJPP730000802180730.jpg

 

It will just about hail one wagon or milk tank!

 

Then we have two weird looking Fowler 0-4-0 diesel shunters, DS 400 and DS 600 - again there is no known kit and I'm most reluctant to add them to the "missing" list but I shall in the name of completeness.

 

Lastly under the diesel heading we have the three SR shunters built at Ashford in 1937 with English-Electric engines; these were certainly part of the operating fleet; my model comprises a Golden Arrow resisn cast body on a Bachmann Class 08 chassis:

 

SJPP730000702180730.jpg

 

And so finally to electric locos, and at this time there were only two, being DS74 and DS75; the former, the Durnsford Road shunter, is currently in build with Chris Phillips from a Judith Edge kit, and whilst the latter, the Waterloo & City line shunter, is on the "missing" list, a potential solution via a 3D printed body is under investigation.

 

So here is the final "missing" list, which seems rather longer than when I started this exercise! I have shown the latest updates and I will of course report in future as it changes (& hopefully gets shorter) via this thread:

 

SECR Wainwright B1    (16)

LB&SCR Billinton B4X   (12) - potential solution through a 3D printed body under exploration

LB&SCR Marsh C3        (8)

LSWR Drummond C14  (3) - potential solution = CSP / Agenoria kit announced years ago but yet to be delivered

LB&SCR Marsh D3X      (1) - potential solution through indication of a forthcoming 3D printed body, chassis to be sourced

LB&SCR Billinton E4X    (4)

LB&SCR Billinton E5X    (4) - 3D printed body in final 'tweaking' + SEF chassis kit held for assembly

LB&SCR Billinton E6X    (2) - 3D printed body in final 'tweaking' + SEF chassis kit held for assembly

SECR Wainwright F1      (9) - solution = Jidenco kit held but not yet in build

SR Maunsell I1X             (18) - chassis frames offered by Alan Gibson to be explored

LSWR Drummond L12   (20) - solved, 3D printed, etched & cast by Arun Sharma, now in build on Hornby RTR chassis

SECR Kirtey R               (18) - solved, build in hand from SE Finecast R1 kit

LSWR Drummond S11   (10) - potential solution to use cast L12 parts and modified SE Finecast T9 chassis to be considered

Soton Dock Co. 0458      (1) - possible solution to modify CSP Agenoria kit CSP 04 under exploration

KESR 0-8-0T Hecate      (1)

EKR 0-6-0T Victory          (1) - solved, kit in hand from CSP Agenoria

Fowler diesel shunter       (2)

 

A longer list than I would have liked, yet I am pretty happy with where I have got to after about 20 years or so!

 

I am sure that someone will point me at something that I have missed, and obviously any thoughts on the missing list will be most welcome!

 

Tony

Love the whole A-Z thread! You have a collection to be proud of.

Apropro the 'Weird Stuff'.

Jidenco definitely kitted Ironside back in the day. The kit now, of course will be rare as hen's teeth, but it definitely existed.

The same applies to Hecate. She was kitted by one of the early 'Cottage Industry' outfits in the 80s. It might have been the enigmatic Chilton Ironworks from the north east. They primarily did north east industrials, Lambton 0-6-2 tanks and Long Boilers etc.They were going to kit the North Staffs New L Class that I knew intimately on the Bridgewater colliery railway, but disappeared all of a sudden!

High Level are kitting a variation of the Fowler Diesel mechanical. I am not sure that it is the one you require.

What I do know is, if it is High Level, then it will be eminently buildable!!

                                                   Chris.

[Tony Teague]

Love the whole A-Z thread! You have a collection to be proud of.

Apropro the 'Weird Stuff'.

Jidenco definitely kitted Ironside back in the day. The kit now, of course will be rare as hen's teeth, but it definitely existed.

The same applies to Hecate. She was kitted by one of the early 'Cottage Industry' outfits in the 80s. It might have been the enigmatic Chilton Ironworks from the north east. They primarily did north east industrials, Lambton 0-6-2 tanks and Long Boilers etc.They were going to kit the North Staffs New L Class that I knew intimately on the Bridgewater colliery railway, but disappeared all of a sudden!

High Level are kitting a variation of the Fowler Diesel mechanical. I am not sure that it is the one you require.

What I do know is, if it is High Level, then it will be eminently buildable!!

                                                   Chris.

Thanks Chris

I will keep an eye out for the Jidenco Ironside offering, although building their kits is not usually a populare pastime.

Likewise the Hecate kit, and I will certainly take a look at the High Level Fowler.

All very helpful, thanks

Tony

[Sandhole]

Thanks Chris

I will keep an eye out for the Jidenco Ironside offering, although building their kits is not usually a populare pastime.

Likewise the Hecate kit, and I will certainly take a look at the High Level Fowler.

All very helpful, thanks

Tony

I think my late Mum would call building a Jidenco kit 'Character Building!!!'

                                                               C.

[Tony Teague]

If you don't like statistics, please ignore this post, but, whilst we are still on locos - a few stats arising from the "A-Z":

 

1. I counted 94 separate classes of loco owned by SR at nationalisation - counting both N15's and S15's as one class each, even though there were batches built under different Companies, but counting BB's and WC's as two classes. I believe this to be many more than for the other companies nationalised.

 

2. The collection includes examples of 75 (80%) of these, some in multiple liveries and some from multiple manufacturers

 

3. My missing list contains 19 classes which comprised just 131 locos (I had missed off DS74 & DS75 from the 'final' list even though I had said in the preceding sentence that they should be shown!); the corrected list is repeated below

 

4. Of the 19 missing classes, I have firm solutions in hand for 7, potential solutions for a further 7, leaving just 5 (representing only 31 locos) for which I currently have no clue! Delivering the 14 with known or potential solutions will be a challenge but will bring the collection up to 89 of 94 (95%) - I'd really like to get to 100%!

 

5. When I started the collection there were only 2 or 3 SR locos for which RTR models were available, and although this has since increased dramatically, the collection still only includes 27 RTR examples, and 4 of these are cases where two different manufacturers have produced RTR models - so only 23 different RTR classes (25% of all) are represented. This means that 61 classes (65%)are still not represented in RTR - so there must still be a future for kits and kit-building so far as the SR is concerned..

 

6. The collection includes kit-built representatives of 61 classes (of the 75 it represents), and RTR models of 27 as above, so 88 representations of 75 classes; this apparent anomaly shows that for 13 classes there are both RTR and kit built models' These are mainly those which have appeared as RTR since the collection was started over 20 years ago.

 

And finally - here is that list again:

 

SECR Wainwright B1    (16)
LB&SCR Billinton B4X   (12) - potential solution through a 3D printed body under exploration
LB&SCR Marsh C3        (8)
LSWR Drummond C14  (3) - potential solution = CSP / Agenoria kit announced years ago but yet to be delivered
LB&SCR Marsh D3X      (1) - potential solution through indication of a forthcoming 3D printed body, chassis to be sourced
LB&SCR Billinton E4X    (4)
LB&SCR Billinton E5X    (4) - 3D printed body in final 'tweaking' + SEF chassis kit held for assembly
LB&SCR Billinton E6X    (2) - 3D printed body in final 'tweaking' + SEF chassis kit held for assembly
SECR Wainwright F1      (9) - solution = Jidenco kit held but not yet in build
SR Maunsell I1X             (18) - chassis frames offered by Alan Gibson to be explored
LSWR Drummond L12   (20) - solved, 3D printed, etched & cast by Arun Sharma, now in build on Hornby RTR chassis
SECR Kirtey R               (18) - solved, build in hand from SE Finecast R1 kit
LSWR Drummond S11   (10) - potential solution to use cast L12 parts and modified SE Finecast T9 chassis to be considered

Soton Dock Co. 0458      (1) - possible solution to modify CSP Agenoria kit CSP 04 under exploration

KESR 0-8-0T Hecate      (1)

EKR 0-6-0T Victory          (1) - solved, kit in hand from CSP Agenoria

DS74                                (1) - solved, kit in build from Judith Edge kits

DS75                                (1) - possible solution available via 3D printing

Fowler diesel shunter       (2)

 

Tony

[St Enodoc]

I think my late Mum would call building a Jidenco kit 'Character Building!!!'

                                                               C.

How many did she build?

[Sandhole]

How many did she build?

The poor lass brought me up 'cos my Dad was at work!!!

I think that was enough!!!!!

                                  C.

[Tony Teague]

Before we leave the subject of locomotives,can anyone help me with suggestions as to what "foreign" locos (GWR, LMS, LNER) might realistically have been seen visiting SR locations within the 1938 - 1948 period modelled?

 

Some time ago I acquired a couple of "foreign" RTR model locos, in ignorance, and simply because they were on special offer, but I now suspect that these are just plain wrong!

 

I have certainly seen pictures of LMS Black 5's on pigeon trains, and LNER tanks fitted with condensing apparatus for the East London Thames tunnel but the latter did not appear to venture very far within the SR.

 

I'd like to understand the type of loco, what sort of train it might appear on, and the degree to which it would actually have penetrated SR territory.

 

All help appreciated!

 

Tony

[Zomboid]

You'd have seen some GWR at Southampton off the DNS, probably on all the traffic from that line (no idea what types, but I'll eat my hat if 43xxs weren't amongst them).

[gz3xzf]

Before we leave the subject of locomotives,can anyone help me with suggestions as to what "foreign" locos (GWR, LMS, LNER) might realistically have been seen visiting SR locations within the 1938 - 1948 period modelled?

 

Some time ago I acquired a couple of "foreign" RTR model locos, in ignorance, and simply because they were on special offer, but I now suspect that these are just plain wrong!

 

I have certainly seen pictures of LMS Black 5's on pigeon trains, and LNER tanks fitted with condensing apparatus for the East London Thames tunnel but the latter did not appear to venture very far within the SR.

 

I'd like to understand the type of loco, what sort of train it might appear on, and the degree to which it would actually have penetrated SR territory.

 

All help appreciated!

 

Tony

Tony

I believe that Halls made it as far as Bournemouth West in BR years, this was gleaned from the chap who used to do the MIC classes at Swanage and there is a photo of a Hall on Sway Bank in Stan Symes book "55 years on the footplate".

LNER V2's were brought in to help when the Merchants had a crank axle flaw that required their temporary withdrawal (circa 1953).

I am afraid I don't have anything for the war years, but I would suspect quite a lot of "cross contamination" would have happened during that time for the war effort.

[Tony Teague]

Thanks Bryan & Zomboid.

The V2 incident is a bit late for me but I am sure that if one looked at specific wartime events such as Dunkirk or the Normandy landings then there would be plenty of examples.

I am wondering about more regular, "normal" stuff - the 43xx and Hall examples certainly might fit the bill.

 

Tony

[Denbridge]

Thanks Bryan & Zomboid.

The V2 incident is a bit late for me but I am sure that if one looked at specific wartime events such as Dunkirk or the Normandy landings then there would be plenty of examples.

I am wondering about more regular, "normal" stuff - the 43xx and Hall examples certainly might fit the bill.

 

Tony

the halls and to a lesser extent, the moguls were heavily route restricted on the Southern due to the width across the cylinders and throw over on curves. Whilst they did regularly work onto SR metals there were many areas they were banned from.

[Tony Teague]

Thanks Denbridge, and in many ways that is why I think I'd need some specific routes and locos to be at all prototypical.

 

Tony

[thegreenhowards]

Before we leave the subject of locomotives,can anyone help me with suggestions as to what "foreign" locos (GWR, LMS, LNER) might realistically have been seen visiting SR locations within the 1938 - 1948 period modelled?

 

Some time ago I acquired a couple of "foreign" RTR model locos, in ignorance, and simply because they were on special offer, but I now suspect that these are just plain wrong!

 

I have certainly seen pictures of LMS Black 5's on pigeon trains, and LNER tanks fitted with condensing apparatus for the East London Thames tunnel but the latter did not appear to venture very far within the SR.

 

I'd like to understand the type of loco, what sort of train it might appear on, and the degree to which it would actually have penetrated SR territory.

 

All help appreciated!

 

Tony

LNER locos via the widened lines would have mainly been N1s, N2s and J52s. I think they went as far as coal depots in south London - possibly New Cross and Elephant?

 

Andy

[Jack P]

Hey Tony, 

 

WD 2-8-0's were seen quite frequently during the war and there was actually an allocation post war - I've got a model of one that ended up being allocated to Brighton. Although from memory, you do actually have one (I think?).

 

I would assume that the biggest time of activity for Non-SR locos would've been during the war! Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than I can give some insight.

[Tony Teague]

LNER locos via the widened lines would have mainly been N1s, N2s and J52s. I think they went as far as coal depots in south London - possibly New Cross and Elephant?

 

Andy

Andy

Thanks, that's a bit more specific so what I need to do is consider whether it would be plausible for any of these to have reached Stowe Magna and / or Churminster - which rather depends on where I think they were situated!

 

 

Hey Tony, 

 

WD 2-8-0's were seen quite frequently during the war and there was actually an allocation post war - I've got a model of one that ended up being allocated to Brighton. Although from memory, you do actually have one (I think?).

 

I would assume that the biggest time of activity for Non-SR locos would've been during the war! Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than I can give some insight.

Jack

Yes, I have an immediate post-war picture of a WD hauling a continental freight train between Dover and Hither Green, and I do have a Bachmann WD available to replicate this one.

 

Thanks both!

 

Tony

[DLT]

If its traffic off the Didcot Newbury and Southampton, it was often hauled by older GW locos, Dean Goods, pensioned off 440s etc. 

The line was upgraded during WW2 to carry troop and supply trains prior to D-Day, and much bigger engines (Austerities etc) appeared.  Newbury Racecourse became a huge US Army stores depot.

Not sure if that's any help!

Dave.

[Tony Teague]

If its traffic off the Didcot Newbury and Southampton, it was often hauled by older GW locos, Dean Goods, pensioned off 440s etc. 

The line was upgraded during WW2 to carry troop and supply trains prior to D-Day, and much bigger engines (Austerities etc) appeared.  Newbury Racecourse became a huge US Army stores depot.

Not sure if that's any help!

Dave.

Dave

 

Yes that's helpful, I had not thought of the Didcot, Newbury line and will go in search of pictures.

Obviously I am not trying to model everything but the occasional 'foreign' visitor woudl add interest.

 

Tony

[St Enodoc]

Before we leave the subject of locomotives,can anyone help me with suggestions as to what "foreign" locos (GWR, LMS, LNER) might realistically have been seen visiting SR locations within the 1938 - 1948 period modelled?

 

Some time ago I acquired a couple of "foreign" RTR model locos, in ignorance, and simply because they were on special offer, but I now suspect that these are just plain wrong!

 

I have certainly seen pictures of LMS Black 5's on pigeon trains, and LNER tanks fitted with condensing apparatus for the East London Thames tunnel but the latter did not appear to venture very far within the SR.

 

I'd like to understand the type of loco, what sort of train it might appear on, and the degree to which it would actually have penetrated SR territory.

 

All help appreciated!

 

Tony

Tony, as far as locations visited by the GWR are concerned the ones that spring to mind are Wadebridge/Padstow, Barnstaple/Ilfracombe, Yeovil, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke and Eastleigh/Southampton.

[Tony Teague]

Tony, as far as locations visited by the GWR are concerned the ones that spring to mind are Wadebridge/Padstow, Barnstaple/Ilfracombe, Yeovil, Salisbury, Andover, Basingstoke and Eastleigh/Southampton.

 

Thanks; these are helpful suggestions.

 

I guess I need to decide what movements (if any) I want to model.

 

I have looked this evening at "Southern Way" which I regard as a bit of a bible when it comes to matters Southern, and aside from the interchanges that have been mentioned in posts so far, there are a couple of quite interesting movements such as a GWR 'Hall' loco from Banbury or Reading on the York - Bournemouth West fish train - why would fish be brought to a seaside location from an inland one, I wonder!

 

Another was an LMS ex-LNWR coal tank on the Kensington Olympia to East Croydon section of the Ffairfach (GWR) to East Croydon milk train - again, an odd combination on a convoluted route.

 

Tony

[Zomboid]

Your chosen place names sound rather Dorset to me, if that's worth anything.

[mullie]

Probably a bit beyond your reach but how about Weymouth with its quayside and Portland branches?

 

Martyn