Churminster & Stowe Magna, Southern Railway

[Tony Teague]

Recent operating & sorting out sessions have enabled me to photograph a number of coaching stock sets that have not previously been illustrated here, and the next one is one of the longer ones on the layout at 10 carriages - in fact you can't see the loco on the front from here!

 

 

This is Set No.469, which runs as the down Victoria - Worthing 'City Limited'; it is headed here by Hornby Schools class No.917 'Ardingly' :

 

 

The whole train is made up of Hornby RTR, Maunsell low-window stock, excepting the 56' ex-LSWR passenger van / full brake which leads the formation and is another of those Adrian Rowlands (Northstar) creations:

 

 

Following this is 6 compartment brake 3rd no.4049:

 

 

Then comes 8 compartment corridor 3rd no.2349:

 

 

....and then two 7-compartment corridor 1sts, Nos. 7667 and 7665:

 

 

The set is then augmented for this service with Pullman kitchen 1st "Medusa":

 

 

......and then yet another 7 compartment corridor 1st, No.7666:

 

 

......two further 8 compartment corridor 3rds, Nos.2350 & 2351:

 

 

Finally bringing up the rear is 6 compartment brake 3rd no.4048

 

 

I really like the fully lined Maunsell dark olive livery of this set which was beautifully weathered for me by the late Mick Bonwick.

 

Tony

 

 

[Tony Teague]

Something slightly more exotic than a Hornby Maunsell set today, ex-LSWR 3-LAV Set No.158 is back to the Adrian Rowlands / Northstar stock:

 

 

Although the coaching stock is unweathered, the loco hauling it, Schools No.906 'Sherborne' was weathered by me:

 

 

Leading the set is 56' brake third No.3077:

 

 

This is closely followed by 58' composite No.4696:

 

 

Whilst matching 56' brake third No.3078 book-ends the set:

 

 

Tacked on the back is Hornby Van C, No. 739:

 

 

Tony

[Tony Teague]

Before I feature the next train formation to be illustrated, I just want to mention that this week I collected a reasonably significant collection of O gauge BR(S) locomotives, carriages and EMU's from the home of a recently deceased modeller, which I will be helping to dispose of on behalf of his widow. I am currently cataloguing what is available - which is all in great condition - and so if anyone who follows this thread happens to be a post-nationalisation Southern O gauge modeller, or knows of others who might potentially be interested, then please send me a direct mail and I will provide a list of what is available - probably within the next week.

 

Returning to my own train set, here as a slight change from carriages, is one of the two milk trains that run on Churminster & Stowe Magna - the other one being a very short, local milk pick-up - but this is the down milk emties train:

 

 

Now, before anyone tells me that these are models of GWR milk tanks, let me say that I really liked this quite ancient Lima model and accumulated 'several' some time back, so I don't feel inclined to trade them in for something more Southern! Let's just assume that this down train of milk empties has been divertedfor today.......

 

 

It is hauled by SR Bulleid light pacific no.21C152 'Lord Dowding' whose nameplate has been added a little prematurely, but looks right on the rake of 19 tanks + brake:

 

 

What I really like about this train is the sound of just over 60 axles clattering along the line at speed!

Whilst the majority of these are unweathered Lima models, the rake includes three Dapol tanks:

 

 

Two of these are very badly factory weathered and when I finally get around to weathering the whole rake I shall have to start by removing this quite dreadful coating!

 

 

Tony

 

 

[Tony Teague]

Returning to the coaches...........Sets 965 & 973:

 

 

An all Bulleid 59' stock (& all Hornby) train, hauled by No.21C158 'Sir Frederick Pile' - who, like Lord Dowding above, has suffered premature naming:

 

 

Set 973 comprises corridor brake 3rd No.2862:

 

 

corridor composite No. 5719:

 

 

and matching brake 3rd No.2861:

 

 

Whilst identical Setno.965, comprises brake 3rd No.2845:

 

 

composite No.5711:

 

 

with brake 3rd no.2846 bringing up the rear:

 

 

These two sets make an interesting contrast with what should be an "identical" set 980 - made from Kirk kits - back towards the bottom of p.60!

 

Tony

[thegreenhowards]

Tony,

 

Thanks again for your hospitality yesterday. I enjoyed seeing Churminster & Stowe Magna again. Your ‘NASA spaceship ‘ control desk is truly awe inspiring and I’d forgotten how good the trains look disappearing into the distance past your wonderful signals.

Andy

 

[Tony Teague]

Andy

Thanks

A great pleasure to have you here and I'm only sorry that the train set did not behave at all times! - Sod's Law.

The good thing is that as the more major works get ticked off, it will allow time for snagging faults and issues that have accumulated over the many years that the layout has been in build.

Tony

[thegreenhowards]

A few derailments are not a problem. They make me feel less bad about my own layout and allow me to be useful as your gofor!

 

It always seems worse when it’s your own layout.

 

Andy

Edited March 23 by thegreenhowards

[Tony Teague]

Yes, and always whilst a visitor is watching!

[Tony Teague]

I'm trying to maintain the pace so that I can finish off running through the coaching stock sets before we get to Xmas!

 

 

This set is in plain, unlined olive livery and is a further Adrian Rowlands / Northstar production, Set No.410

 

 

It is hauled here by Bachmann ex-LBSCR E4 no.2497

 

 

The set is led by ex-LSWR left-handed 4 compartment brake 3rd no.3147

 

 

which is closely followed by 54' tri-composite no.5086

 

 

with right-handed 4-compartment brake no.3104 completing the set; I believe that Adrian Rowlands only made two rakes of this particular set (& I know who has the other!).

 

 

Completing the train, and in matching livery is ex-LSWR 44' full brake no.227 - a Roxey kit constructed by Ian Willets and painted by Larry Goddard.

 

One of my favourite looking trains, although it might be better complemented by an ex-LSWR loco!

 

Tony

 

[DLT]

At long last, construction of Tony's Arum Sharma C3 kit is getting started.  It will be detailed on my own topic, but I need to ask a couple of questions here first.

Firstly, does anyone know what the cab interior looked like?  Its going to be very similar to the C2X, as they had the same boiler.  I have several drawings, but nothing shows the cab.

The angle and position of the reversing rod indicates screw-reverse rather than the C2X lever type, so what does a Brighton Screw-Reverser look like?  And does a manufacturer provide one? 

Likewise I haven't so far located suitable buffers.  In late SR days they had a long narrow tapered shape buffer with a square base.  Any suggestions please?

 

You would be right in surmising that my knowledge of Brighton locos is limited, as is my reference material.  I'm more of a South Western man.

I don't know if Tony wants his topic cluttered with such discussions, so please PM me if you prefer.

Thanks very much,

Dave.T

[Tony Teague]

Dave

I am of course delighted that construction of the C3 is underway - and I'd be equally happy if my thread were 'cluttered' with the sort of discussion you have requested; I'm unfortunately not able to answer your questions myself and so I am hopeful that others more knowledgaeble than I will have something to say!

Thanks for what you are undertaking.

Tony

[Tony Teague]

After a short pause, let's get another coaching stock set out of the way; this is anotherof the slightly longer sets, No.329, a Maunsell / SR High window set which is all Hornby RTR:

 

 

(apologies for the blurred rear-end!).

In it's basic form this is a 6 coach set but it runs with the addition of a Restaurant Car, whilst a Van C is attached to the rear

 

 

The set is hauled here by Hornby Arthur No.736 'Excalibur', and led by brake 3rd no.3793:

 

 

Corridor 3rd no.1227 follows:

 

 

and then the additional Kitchen / Dining 1st - Restaurant Car, no.7869, serving full English breakfasts!

 

 

Corridor 1st No.7230:

 

 

Then two further corridor 3rds, Nos. 1225 and 1226:

 

 

Before brake 3rd No.3792 brings up the rear:

 

 

Finally, Van C No.721 tails along for the ride:

 

 

Yes, they are all RTR but this set has to be an illustration of just how good this can now look! - depite the lack of weathering..........

 

Tony

 

[gwrrob]

Love those van C 's @Tony Teague and always handy to tag on for operational interest. I have a couple that are filthy.

[Tony Teague]

A short update today to cover further scenic progress on the Churminster cutting.

 

When last shown in early March it was simply looking a dirty brown colour, but since then it has had a couple of visits from my friend Steve Povey, the 'grassmeister'; after several layers involving many different lengths & shades of grass, this is where it has got to - looking south:

 

 

At the far end / bottom of the incline, I am now committed to a re-build of the 'chalk' cutting face which I think will improve things and so this area has not been touched.

There are some bigger, shrubby things still to be added but there is already a massive improvement; looking north:

 

 

The bridge at the top of the incline did cause a couple of problems - in that, although it is removable, Steve managed to glue it in place.................

After much cursing I managed to extract it unscathed 🤬

 

Meanwhile there has also been more progress on the semaphore signals.....................

 

Tony

 

 

Edited Monday at 18:47 by Tony Teague

[TrevorP1]

Road overbridges can be a problem. To fix or not to fix! If all goes to plan I will need to face that problem this summer.

[thegreenhowards]

Wow, that is quite a change from what I saw just a few weeks ago.

 

Andy

[Tony Teague]

11 hours ago, TrevorP1 said:

Road overbridges can be a problem. To fix or not to fix! If all goes to plan I will need to face that problem this summer.

 

Yes, in this case it crosses over two narrow gauge and the twin standard gauge tracks and would have been easier to construct as a fixed installation, however, the decider was that there is wiring underneath it that just might need to be accessed - so that determined that it must be removable.

[Tony Teague]

Whilst Steve has been grassing away to his heart's content, there has also been progress elsewhere.

 

Sinkholes seem to be a current fad and as my layout is supposed to mimic reality, it came as no surprise that one had appeared under Stow Magna goods yard - well it could just be subsidence; you can see the result here:

 

 

It is actually the result of a baseboard construction fault, in that the left hand board has a leg under it, whilst the right hand one was simply screwed to the left one and whatever was used has slipped over the 15+ years since they were made (not by me I hasten to add!).

 

With Giles' help we put in an extra support, and with the careful use of an Irish screwdriver (hammer) we persuaded the right hand board upwards:

 

 

Sadly, the cork underlay, ballast and the track itself did not appreciate this degree of adjustment and so I have since had to take more radical action, this time involving the use of a Dremel & cutting disc:

 

 

On a brighter note, it appeared that only the front reception siding was seriously affected & requiring replacement:

 

 

(Now looks bowed upwards but it isn't); fishplates soldered in place & electrical continuity tested

 

 

Ballasted, only some serious weathering now needed before traffic can resume!

 

Meanwhile, on the recent arrival of the excellent Accurascle banana vans I may have mentioned that in my drawer-full of unmade kits there were two Parkside GWR banans vans & so I prioritsed their building so as to give the train a bit more length:

 

 

They will get some weathering with the rest of the train, which now at 16 vans has reached a reasonably acceptable length; I'll post another pic when these are back in the consist.

 

Tony

 

 

 

 

[manna]

G'Day Folks

 

Could have put it down to 'Bomb' damage, circa 1940.

 

manna

[Tony Teague]

4 hours ago, manna said:

 

Could have put it down to 'Bomb' damage, circa 1940.

 

 

Indeed it could - especially as the nearby Stowe Magna locoshed had also suffered bomb damage as reported back in about 2018, when it's entire west wall was demolished:

 

 

Locally, however, this is referred to as 'bum damage' as it was the result of an impact with a large ar$e - subsequently perspex screens were installed along this strtch to protect the layout and its buildings from such incursions!

Tony

[chris45lsw]

On 23/04/2024 at 19:32, Tony Teague said:

Whilst Steve has been grassing away to his heart's content, there has also been progress elsewhere.

 

Sinkholes seem to be a current fad and as my layout is supposed to mimic reality, it came as no surprise that one had appeared under Stow Magna goods yard - well it could just be subsidence; you can see the result here:

 

 

It is actually the result of a baseboard construction fault, in that the left hand board has a leg under it, whilst the right hand one was simply screwed to the left one and whatever was used has slipped over the 15+ years since they were made (not by me I hasten to add!).

 

With Giles' help we put in an extra support, and with the careful use of an Irish screwdriver (hammer) we persuaded the right hand board upwards:

 

 

Sadly, the cork underlay, ballast and the track itself did not appreciate this degree of adjustment and so I have since had to take more radical action, this time involving the use of a Dremel & cutting disc:

 

 

On a brighter note, it appeared that only the front reception siding was seriously affected & requiring replacement:

 

 

(Now looks bowed upwards but it isn't); fishplates soldered in place & electrical continuity tested

 

 

Ballasted, only some serious weathering now needed before traffic can resume!

 

Meanwhile, on the recent arrival of the excellent Accurascle banana vans I may have mentioned that in my drawer-full of unmade kits there were two Parkside GWR banans vans & so I prioritsed their building so as to give the train a bit more length:

 

 

They will get some weathering with the rest of the train, which now at 16 vans has reached a reasonably acceptable length; I'll post another pic when these are back in the consist.

 

Tony

 

 

 

 

Hello Tony

 

Small point.  GWR Bananas had a white disc.  The yellow spot was a BR innovation which only came in after steam heating Banana vans was discontinued from around 1959, I think.

 

Loved the coaching stock 'series' by the way.

 

Chris Knowles-Thomas  

[Tony Teague]

2 hours ago, chris45lsw said:

 

Small point.  GWR Bananas had a white disc.  The yellow spot was a BR innovation which only came in after steam heating Banana vans was discontinued from around 1959, I think.

 

Thanks Chris

I followed the instructions with the kit in decorating it - which are quite specific about the yellow spot; I did wonder because the recently issued Rapido van (of which I have one, illustrated on the page before this, has a white disc - so I felt that one of us would be wrong!

Glad you like the coach series; there are a small number left to post when I get around to finding and photographing them.

Tony