Jim Bob Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) BR 9F tenders I am currently doing research into the various types of tenders used. 'there are several, varying mainly in water capacity. I think (for instance) that the most common: BR1F holds around 5276 gallons. Those supplied to the WR, however, only held 5000 galls and were coded BR1K. Question is, is there a visible external difference between the types? Edited December 13, 2016 by Jim Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) BR1F had very high sides. BR1K had same exterior body (I think) as BR1B/C/D, but also incorporated a Berkeley stoker mechanism for the three 9Fs (92165-7) that were turned out with it. Edited December 13, 2016 by Horsetan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Agree with the above, although most of the WR examples had BR1G versions, similar to those on most of the 'Brits'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killybegs Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Generally speaking, the BR1F's were attached to those 9F's going to the ER and SR. Crosti's had BR1B's as had some 9F's going to the NER. WR had BR1G's and the rest (except for the BR1K's mentioned above) were BR1C's for the LMR. This info taken from 'The British Sttandard 9F 2-10-0' by Philip Atkins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 List time. BR1B 4725 gal 7 tons coal 92020 - 9, 92060 - 66, 92097 - 99 BR1C 4725 gal 9 tons coal 92015 - 9, 92045 - 59, 92077 - 86, 92100 - 39, 92150 - 64 BR1F 5625 gal 7 tons coal 92010 - 4, 92030 - 44, 92067 - 76, 92087 - 96, 92140 - 9, 92168 - 92202 BR1G 5000 gal 7 tons coal 92000 - 9, 92203 - 92250 BR1K 4250 gal 9 tons coal 92165 - 7 Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bob Posted December 14, 2016 Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) Thanks chaps. Yes I got muddled. I meant BR1G (5000 gall). So, simple answer is to obtain a "Brit" tender to make a WR 9F! Now just need to source a picture for confirmation..... Edited December 14, 2016 by Jim Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) The Brit Tender is a BR1 or BR1 A apart from the coal pusher type fitted to 70045-54. The BR1 and BR1A are identical I think except the maximum water level is lower in the BR1. The 5000 gallon Brit BR1A and 9F BR1G were essentially identical except the BR1G tender has the rear cab handrails mounted on a plate on the cab end of the Tender but the BR1A has the handrails attached to an extension of the loco cab with rubber screens between rear of cab and the tender. The BR 1 G (and B/C/D/E/F/H etc) have a conventional hinged "Fall" plate between loco and tender for the fireman to avoid standing on while the BR1 and BR1A have a platform attached to the locomotive which was handy when the tender drawbar failed and the loco careered on without the Tender. Triang used the same Tender body for the Brit and 9F but it is a BR1 as it lacks the front tender handrail. If you use a 70000 -700044 Brit Tender on a 9F you need to fabricate something to represent the mounting plate and handrail at the front of the Tender. Edited December 14, 2016 by DavidCBroad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 14, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2016 List time. BR1B 4725 gal 7 tons coal 92020 - 9, 92060 - 66, 92097 - 99 BR1C 4725 gal 9 tons coal 92015 - 9, 92045 - 59, 92077 - 86, 92100 - 39, 92150 - 64 BR1F 5625 gal 7 tons coal 92010 - 4, 92030 - 44, 92067 - 76, 92087 - 96, 92140 - 9, 92168 - 92202 BR1G 5000 gal 7 tons coal 92000 - 9, 92203 - 92250 BR1K 4250 gal 9 tons coal 92165 - 7 Jason The only difference between BR1B and BR1C is the position of a division plate in the bunker to restrict the coal space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Hornby have made the BR1G tender for the 9F, try a few 2/h places ( such as the 'Model railway doctor') for a spare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 List time. BR1B 4725 gal 7 tons coal 92020 - 9, 92060 - 66, 92097 - 99 BR1C 4725 gal 9 tons coal 92015 - 9, 92045 - 59, 92077 - 86, 92100 - 39, 92150 - 64 BR1F 5625 gal 7 tons coal 92010 - 4, 92030 - 44, 92067 - 76, 92087 - 96, 92140 - 9, 92168 - 92202 BR1G 5000 gal 7 tons coal 92000 - 9, 92203 - 92250 BR1K 4250 gal 9 tons coal 92165 - 7 Jason Where did BR1E fit in? The Nim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Where did BR1E fit in? It didn't, being a one-off classification for 71000's tender - basically a BR1D with an extra ton of coal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 List time. BR1B 4725 gal 7 tons coal 92020 - 9, 92060 - 66, 92097 - 99 BR1C 4725 gal 9 tons coal 92015 - 9, 92045 - 59, 92077 - 86, 92100 - 39, 92150 - 64 BR1F 5625 gal 7 tons coal 92010 - 4, 92030 - 44, 92067 - 76, 92087 - 96, 92140 - 9, 92168 - 92202 BR1G 5000 gal 7 tons coal 92000 - 9, 92203 - 92250 BR1K 4250 gal 9 tons coal 92165 - 7 Jason Yep, original locomotive allocation, until ---- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Yep, original locomotive allocation, until ---- Virtually the end. Don't forget most of them didn't last much more that ten years. Maybe one visit to the works for a major overhaul? There wasn't that many swaps. As alluded to in post #7 there would need to be major surgery to swap many tender types. There was a thread on tender changes somewhere on the forum. But I can't find it. I think most of them were to do with Britannias. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I knew the subject had came up before. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/116023-br-tenders-reswapping/ Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Virtually the end. Don't forget most of them didn't last much more that ten years. Maybe one visit to the works for a major overhaul? There wasn't that many swaps. As alluded to in post #7 there would need to be major surgery to swap many tender types. There was a thread on tender changes somewhere on the forum. But I can't find it. I think most of them were to do with Britannias. Jason About 40 swapped to different versions, another 40 swapped the same ( mostly ER/NER BR1F's), starting in 1955, with a large proportion by 1961. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Still rare compared to other classes. GWR and LMS locomotives would have probably changed tenders half a dozen times in that period. As an example see how many locomotives the GWR 8 wheeled tender was used with. At least a dozen in it's 30 odd year life. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/28977-gwr-8-wheel-tender/ All the information is probably in the RCTS books, but I don't have the BR ones. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 The most noticeable tender swap was 92014 to a BR1G and it gets my vote for the ugliest steam loco to be allocated to the WR, ER. LMR or Scottish Regions in BR days and one of the thousand ugliest even if you include the Southern Region. The BR1E is a bit of a mystery to me, it seems to have disappeared as a designation, but whether it was rebuilt as a BR1C or just lost its coal pusher which was presumably transferred to the BR1J converted from a BR1C for 71000 is not something I am aware of. The BR1J fitted to 71000 in BR days seems to have a side profile all its own. The Coal bulkhead in the BR 1B was sheer genius, It made the fully loaded tender lighter on paper but could result in 2 tons of coal the fireman could not get at, there seems to be some evidence that these bulkheads were removed in later days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bob Posted December 14, 2016 Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 Thanks for all this help people. I've just looked at the Hornby website and see that "Evening Star" has been cascaded down to the Railroad range. It appears to have the BR1G tender, with the handrails fixed to a plate on the front wall of the tender, so, presume if I can get hold of one of these, it'll do the job!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 ....The BR1E is a bit of a mystery to me, it seems to have disappeared as a designation, but whether it was rebuilt as a BR1C or just lost its coal pusher which was presumably transferred to the BR1J converted from a BR1C for 71000 is not something I am aware of. The BR1J fitted to 71000 in BR days seems to have a side profile all its own.... The BR1E was paired with 71000 for about 3 years before being converted to BR1C (so removal of coal pusher) and paired with a 9F, apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 The BR1E was paired with 71000 for about 3 years before being converted to BR1C (so removal of coal pusher) and paired with a 9F, apparently. Yep, tender number 1271 paired to 92150, replaced on 71000 by number 1360 converted from BR1C ( coal pusher added). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 The most noticeable tender swap was 92014 to a BR1G and it gets my vote for the ugliest steam loco to be allocated to the WR, ER. LMR or Scottish Regions in BR days and one of the thousand ugliest even if you include the Southern Region. The BR1E is a bit of a mystery to me, it seems to have disappeared as a designation, but whether it was rebuilt as a BR1C or just lost its coal pusher which was presumably transferred to the BR1J converted from a BR1C for 71000 is not something I am aware of. The BR1J fitted to 71000 in BR days seems to have a side profile all its own. The Coal bulkhead in the BR 1B was sheer genius, It made the fully loaded tender lighter on paper but could result in 2 tons of coal the fireman could not get at, there seems to be some evidence that these bulkheads were removed in later days. David. Why is 92014 with a BR1G any more ugly than any other 9F with a BR1G? Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 David. Why is 92014 with a BR1G any more ugly than any other 9F with a BR1G? Roger Sorry typo, 92024, which I think was the only ex Crosti with a BR1G. The inset coal bunker takes away the last vestige of elegance from the Crosti and Tender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted December 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2016 92208 (Which I rode on) had a BR1C given to it when it was transferred to Kingmoor. Another difference between WR locos and others was a cover to the reversing rod that many of the WR examples had. This was a piece of chequer plate that ran from the cab all the way to where the rod went through the running board with IIRC about three brackets to hold it up (Like croquet hoops in shape but obviously getting shorter. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Sorry typo, 92024, which I think was the only ex Crosti with a BR1G. The inset coal bunker takes away the last vestige of elegance from the Crosti and Tender. David. That is a relief, I thought I had the wrong tender on my 920014. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) Sorry typo, 92024, which I think was the only ex Crosti with a BR1G. The inset coal bunker takes away the last vestige of elegance from the Crosti and Tender. 92024 didn't have the BR1G tender for long, from Jan to Dec 1965, when it was replaced by a BR1F. 92023 also gained a BR1G in November 1965 from withdrawn 92226, and kept it for it's last 2 years. Crews preferred the BR1G as it provided an easier view when running tender first. Also on another vain, the BR1K's on the 3 mechanical stoker examples were rebuilt to BR1C's when the stoker equipment was removed at the end of 1962/early 1963. edit - Ah forgot!! 92021 gained a BR1G tender also, from Feb. 1965 to withdrawal. Always had a soft spot for 'Crustis', after seeing all ten on various visits to Cricklewood shed in the early '60's. Edited December 16, 2016 by bike2steam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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