Anyone Interested in Ships

[drmditch]

4 hours ago, Kris said:

There are a few big grey floaty things* in St Ives bay at the moment bobbing about. There is also a big green spinning thing** in the National Trust Car park at Godrevy. The magic of the G7. 

 

 

 

Sorry about the poor photos I only had my phone with me today. 

 

*HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Northumberland, HMS Tamar, HMS TYNE, HMS Ranger, HMS Exploit, HMS Smiter 

 

** Giraffe Radar

 

This must be a large proportion of the operable fleet?

 

(PS - thank you for the pictures!)

[Kris]

8 minutes ago, drmditch said:

 

This must be a large proportion of the operable fleet?

 

(PS - thank you for the pictures!)

A lot of the rest are off with the Queen Elizabeth. 

[Kris]

 

Still misty and murky for the G7 in St Ives today. 

[jwealleans]

Not  a ship, but I thought the readers of this thread were most likely to know this.   My grandfather was at sea from around 1929 to 1934 (MV Athelcrown).   I have a number of photographs he took in various places round the world, most of which he had labelled.   This one was not and I haven't ever managed to locate it.   I'm assuming it was taken in that timeframe, but some of the pictures have been placed in the albums out of order.  It must be prior to his death in 1940, though.

 

[The Stationmaster]

5 hours ago, jwealleans said:

Not  a ship, but I thought the readers of this thread were most likely to know this.   My grandfather was at sea from around 1929 to 1934 (MV Athelcrown).   I have a number of photographs he took in various places round the world, most of which he had labelled.   This one was not and I haven't ever managed to locate it.   I'm assuming it was taken in that timeframe, but some of the pictures have been placed in the albums out of order.  It must be prior to his death in 1940, though.

 

Try Baily (Bailey?) lighthouse Howth near Dublin in old photos - not with the large building in front of it.

 

https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/bailey-lighthouse-howth-no-date--355854808030848871/

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333960762371?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&itemid=333960762371&targetid=1279902198139&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=1006789&poi=&campaignid=12125451035&mkgroupid=122158445709&rlsatarget=pla-1279902198139&abcId=9300480&merchantid=232685637&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2MWR2tKQ8QIVj9iyCh0JIghEEAQYBSABEgK-6_D_BwE

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401788073703?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&itemid=401788073703&targetid=1280759677320&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=1006789&poi=&campaignid=9441192426&mkgroupid=122313234603&rlsatarget=pla-1280759677320&abcId=578896&merchantid=110242454&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2MWR2tKQ8QIVj9iyCh0JIghEEAQYAyABEgKjkfD_BwE

Edited June 11, 2021 by The Stationmaster

[jwealleans]

I think that's the one. Mike - and somewhere else i didn't know he'd been.   Thanks very much.   I'll need to go back to the album and decide whether that's a holiday picture or a 'working' one.

 

While I'm in his photographs, here is the Athelcrown taken around 1930.   She was a molasses tanker as far as I'm aware and they seem to have sailed to the West Indies and Java, specifically Surabaya.   She was lost in 1942 to U-82.

 

Edited June 12, 2021 by jwealleans

[Captain Cuttle]

The Ever Given

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/11/ever-given-remains-grounded-in-egypt-as-compensation-battle-rages

[The Stationmaster]

3 hours ago, Captain Cuttle said:

The Ever Given

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/11/ever-given-remains-grounded-in-egypt-as-compensation-battle-rages

Maybe somebody should counter sue the Egyptians for keeping thousands of containers out of circulation?  I wonder what the daily demurrage rate is on a shipping container? 

[AncientMariner]

In January 2020, demurrage for a container could easily exceed USD $100 per container per day.

With a current shortage of containers, I’ve little doubt that this figure has been escalated.

 

Source:

https://container-xchange.com/blog/demurrage-detention/

 

John

[admiles]

21 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

Maybe somebody should counter sue the Egyptians for keeping thousands of containers out of circulation?  I wonder what the daily demurrage rate is on a shipping container? 

 

Thankfully demurrage is only chargeable once the consignee/importer is actually able to access their container so it isn't a factor in the Ever Given case.

 

The lease charges paid by the shipping lines to the containers owners on the other hand...

Edited June 14, 2021 by admiles

[Tankerman]

On 12/06/2021 at 05:46, jwealleans said:

I think that's the one. Mike - and somewhere else i didn't know he'd been.   Thanks very much.   I'll need to go back to the album and decide whether that's a holiday picture or a 'working' one.

 

While I'm in his photographs, here is the Athelcrown taken around 1930.   She was a molasses tanker as far as I'm aware and they seem to have sailed to the West Indies and Java, specifically Surabaya.   She was lost in 1942 to U-82.

 

 

I've done a quick search and come up with this, which I hope will be of interest.

 

Built 1929 by Furness Shipbuilding at their Haverton Hill shipyard on the Tees. She was 11,999 gross tons and powered by two diesel engines driving twin screws. Owned by United Molasses until 1940 when she was sold, or transferred to Athel Line, I'll have to check further but I seem to remember that both companies were subsidiaries of one of the big sugar companies.

 

As you already know she was torpedoed by U82, she was on a voyage from Cardiff to Aruba at the time. The fact that her destination was Aruba makes me think that she was in the oil trade rather than molasses at the time.

 

If you would like me to try to get any further details about her I will be happy to try.

 

 

Edited June 15, 2021 by Tankerman
typo

[chris p bacon]

1 hour ago, Tankerman said:

The fact that her destination was Aruba makes me think that she was in the oil trade rather than molasses at the time.

I might have posted this before. In April 1941 Dad was on British Strength which was captured and sunk by Scharnhorst, only a few hours before Scharnhorst had picked off the Athelfoam which was also en route from the UK to Curacao for fuel/oil.

[Captain Cuttle]

Canadian submarine HMCS Corner Brook Finally Back in the Water.

 

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41075/canadian-submarine-bedeviled-by-accidents-for-a-decade-is-finally-back-in-the-water

[MarkC]

I was in Flushing/Vlissingen over the weekend; this beastie arrived. What a strange thing it is. The big yellow crane can actually move over the accommodation block to the bow, and look where the funnel/uptakes are, in relation to the bridge!

Edited June 17, 2021 by MarkC

[Tankerman]

4 hours ago, MarkC said:

I was in Flushing/Vlissingen over the weekend; this beastie arrived. What a strange thing it is. The big yellow crane can actually move over the accommodation block to the bow, and look where the funnel/uptakes are, in relation to the bridge!

 

Mark, here's a few details of her which you might find interesting.

 

IMO number 9466697, built 2011 by Uljanik at Pula in Croatia, 8,015 gross tons, 2,680 deadweight tons.

 

The beneficial owner is Jan de Nul N.V. 

[jwealleans]

Is the bow this end, where the name is?

 

What's it for?

[Captain Cuttle]

44 minutes ago, Tankerman said:

 

Mark, here's a few details of her which you might find interesting.

 

IMO number 9466697, built 2011 by Uljanik at Pula in Croatia, 8,015 gross tons, 2,680 deadweight tons.

 

The beneficial owner is Jan de Nul N.V. 

Looks like it could of been constructed by Roland Emmett!

[Tankerman]

1 hour ago, jwealleans said:

Is the bow this end, where the name is?

 

What's it for?

 

Yes it is. It's a dredger of a type known as a cutter suction dredger.  Jan de Nul have a large fleet of dredgers of various types and also a very good website which explains how each type of dredger operates.

[Chris hndrsn]

For those interested in the X-Press Pearl disaster of Colombo Sri Lanka

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2021/sri-lanka-cargo-ship-fire-pollution/

[The Stationmaster]

More details with links to many more pics of Fernao De Magalmaes

 

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:297882/mmsi:253414000/imo:9466697/vessel:FERNAO_DE_MAGALHAES

 

Currently in the vicinity of the Foxtrot 3 Light Vessel heading into the separation lane destined for St Nazaire. (And I hope the weather is somewhat calmer than it was when I was in the vicinity of Foxtrot 3  back in 2019 - but it is an excellent place for ship watching.)

 

Photo taken after the weather had subsided and it was considered safe enough to send technicians over to restore the LV to its function of showing a light.

 

 

Edited June 18, 2021 by The Stationmaster

[Tankerman]

1 hour ago, The Stationmaster said:

More details with links to many more pics of Fernao De Magalmaes

 

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:297882/mmsi:253414000/imo:9466697/vessel:FERNAO_DE_MAGALHAES

 

Currently in the vicinity of the Foxtrot 3 Light Vessel heading into the separation lane destined for St Nazaire. (And I hope the weather is somewhat calmer than it was when I was in the vicinity of Foxtrot 3  back in 2019 - but it is an excellent place for ship watching.)

 

Photo taken after the weather had subsided and it was considered safe enough to send technicians over to restore the LV to its function of showing a light.

 

 

 

Mike,

 

Your photo has corrected one of my erroneous thoughts, of which I've had quite a few over the years, , as I have always thought Foxtrot 3 was a large buoy. The name is well known to me because for about twenty years I used to visit St Margarets at Cliffe to watch the passing shipping and, as you will no doubt know, Foxtrot 3 is the point at which westbound traffic has to report to Dover Coastguard.

 

This was particularly useful in obtaining the ships name when, as is often the case, the visibility was too poor to read using a telescope. Nowadays of course it is simply a matter of using the Marine Traffic app on a phone or tablet.

[The Stationmaster]

20 hours ago, Tankerman said:

 

Mike,

 

Your photo has corrected one of my erroneous thoughts, of which I've had quite a few over the years, , as I have always thought Foxtrot 3 was a large buoy. The name is well known to me because for about twenty years I used to visit St Margarets at Cliffe to watch the passing shipping and, as you will no doubt know, Foxtrot 3 is the point at which westbound traffic has to report to Dover Coastguard.

 

This was particularly useful in obtaining the ships name when, as is often the case, the visibility was too poor to read using a telescope. Nowadays of course it is simply a matter of using the Marine Traffic app on a phone or tablet.

Foxtrot 3 is usually shown as an LV and this can sometmes be a bit confusing as what are called 'light floats' are also sometimes called LVs. (they are bascically a cross between a buoty and reall LV witha small hull instead of the bottom part of a buoy.

 

Foxtrot 3 is interesting as it is not only teh place where southbound vessle get into the separation lane but it's also a sort of 'roundabout in the seas' (how it was described to me) as vessels on various routes turn in its vicinity.  Thus vessels out of the northbound separation lane heading for UK east coast ports and the Tames Estuary turn to the north of it  while vesses from continetal ports to the north of it  also turn to the north of it to g et into the southbound separation lane.

 

We were taken there (a more accurate description of how we got there) having been sheltering from some named depression and wind in the outer part of the Thames estuary (in the wallet Channel) when THV Patricia had an emergency call to go to Foxtrot 3 as several ships had reported that it was showing no lights at.  We set off in the middle of the night and I only noticed because the change in motion woke me up.  We arrived there at 07.15  but at that time it was still far too windy (it had been blowing at about 30 - 40 knots during the night) to send a boat across so a boat couldn't be sent off until 12,35 and it took them 4 hours to sort the lights.

 

And as I said - it was an excellent spot fpr ship watching

 

 

 

 

[Tankerman]

3 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

Foxtrot 3 is usually shown as an LV and this can sometmes be a bit confusing as what are called 'light floats' are also sometimes called LVs. (they are bascically a cross between a buoty and reall LV witha small hull instead of the bottom part of a buoy.

 

Foxtrot 3 is interesting as it is not only teh place where southbound vessle get into the separation lane but it's also a sort of 'roundabout in the seas' (how it was described to me) as vessels on various routes turn in its vicinity.  Thus vessels out of the northbound separation lane heading for UK east coast ports and the Tames Estuary turn to the north of it  while vesses from continetal ports to the north of it  also turn to the north of it to g et into the southbound separation lane.

 

We were taken there (a more accurate description of how we got there) having been sheltering from some named depression and wind in the outer part of the Thames estuary (in the wallet Channel) when THV Patricia had an emergency call to go to Foxtrot 3 as several ships had reported that it was showing no lights at.  We set off in the middle of the night and I only noticed because the change in motion woke me up.  We arrived there at 07.15  but at that time it was still far too windy (it had been blowing at about 30 - 40 knots during the night) to send a boat across so a boat couldn't be sent off until 12,35 and it took them 4 hours to sort the lights.

 

And as I said - it was an excellent spot fpr ship watching

 

 

 

 

 

Lovely spot for photography, three out of the four are in the "not that thing again bracket". The last one is a concentrated orange juice tanker, if my memory is correct she regularly traded into, and probably still does, Antwerp and/or Vlissingen (Flushing)

[The Stationmaster]

1 hour ago, Tankerman said:

 

Lovely spot for photography, three out of the four are in the "not that thing again bracket". The last one is a concentrated orange juice tanker, if my memory is correct she regularly traded into, and probably still does, Antwerp and/or Vlissingen (Flushing)

If I remember rightly she was on her way to Le Havre but she'd come from Antwerp or Rotterdam

[380John]

Beautiful vessel currently doing day cruises around the River Cleddau here in Pembrokeshire. If there's any ship spotters aboard they'll have had a great day. LNG vessel berthed this morning and a flurry of product tankers in the following 14 hours. Managed to get a nice shot of her from the bridge wing a couple of hours ago. "Johanna Lucretia".... 

 

John