Ed Winterbury Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Quick recap on the updates of the past couple of months: Location: Scotland Train Length: 5' to 6' Type of layout: Junction (with branch terminus?) Era :1950s/60s Control method: DCC- may be slightly expensive for the locos to be chipped at once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Here's the photos. Edited January 5, 2018 by Ed Winterbury 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted January 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) "A picture speaks a thousand words" was never more apt! That looks like a very usable space and now we can see the famous Juliette balcony window. I notice also that there's a radiator on the long wall that will have to be taken into account and some boxing or some sort of structural column in the far corner. Thanks Ed! Edited January 5, 2018 by Harlequin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Welcome. That indented little bit for the radiator will probably be left empty. The reason for this is apparent in the centre-right part of the photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted January 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2018 Drawn to scale then I see this: [Click to enlarge] Some of the dimensions and positions are educated guesstimates. Does that look right? Do you definitely not want to use the 500*915mm alcove on the right? And if not would that mean that the layout could not actually use the full 2200mm depth as shown? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Layout boards.pngOk. I want to use imperial but tape measure is metric. Here's a sketch: Partially obscured by volume indicator. Divide the measurement in centimetres by 2.54 to get it into inches. That's the one metric- imperial conversion factor I don't have to look up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 Thanks. The access for the Juliette doesn't need to be like that- It's possible to make the layout space a normal quadrilateral as the Juliette indent is a little larger than the 2200mm. Otherwise, it's 100% accurate. The mentioned 'purchased layout' is in the back. I would like to use the little space that juts out, but I don't know how. Oh, and the old kitchen space is semi-usable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted January 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) No offence but this is a bit like pulling hen's teeth. We are trying to help but 20 pages in and we still don't have the dimensions of the available space. Can you please put up a dimensioned drawing of the MAXIMUM space available including the nooks and crannies etc then we can provide some assistance in planning a layout for you. Best wishes Colin Edited January 6, 2018 by Colin_McLeod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 Difficult to explain... next time I'm there, I'll take a photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted January 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) Here's the dimensioned scale drawing in PDF form, including photo and low-res floor plan of the whole kitchen. EdWint4.pdf We established a long time ago that the Juliette balcony must not be obstructed with either permanent or removable sections. So I strongly suggest that the baseboards are cut diagonally to keep the Juliette clear as I've shown it. Any intrusion across the windows/doors would be awkward and ungainly. Maybe show the drawing to your family to see what they think. And I don't think it's realistic to use any more of the kitchen space. If anyone reading this has an idea of how to use that space to meeting Ed's requirements for a layout feel free to use this drawing to sketch out your creation. Edited January 6, 2018 by Harlequin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 Thanks Harlequin. I've been thinking about it and I think the diagonal section would be quite a nice thing, something different to perfect and clinical rectangles. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 I'm very happy with your drawing- thanks! However, there is the small matter of the purchased layout... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted January 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2018 Here's a possible rough design: Min radius 610mm (2ft) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 Looks good to me... I think this would form a very good starting design and very similar to Aberdeen (see Mr Nicholas's photos). I think I would like to utilise some of the space that hasn't been tapped into yet such as on the left-hand side. What design software do you use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted January 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2018 You could use some of the space for more trackwork but think about the balance between railway and non-railway scenery. That's down to personal preference and what the layout is actually trying to be and do. If you are going to model steam era then maybe a turntable might and engine shed might fit in the top left corner. Or in a later era Motive Power Depot. Or you could perhaps have carriage sidings or place the goods yard out there and use the space inside the loop for something else. At one end of the operating well, it might be a good idea to have a small workbench area for modelling and maintenance. The software I'm using is just a normal drawing program. See http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/126780-layout-design-in-illustration-software/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 I would like to know what the most balanced option is for procuring baseboards, ranging from home-made ones (not quite as refined and labour-intensive, but cheap) to custom made boards by a local carpenter (expensive, but quick and sturdy.). Or is there an intermediate option? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chimer Posted January 14, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2018 I would like to know what the most balanced option is for procuring baseboards, ranging from home-made ones (not quite as refined and labour-intensive, but cheap) to custom made boards by a local carpenter (expensive, but quick and sturdy.). Or is there an intermediate option? There are specialist companies who will sell you flat-packed modular baseboards which only need gluing / screwing together. Not used any myself, so won't name names, but at least a couple are advertising in the February Railway Modeller, and googling "model railway baseboards" brings up lots more. I expect you will find them quite pricey, but cheaper than the local carpenter, and they will automatically include things like holes for wiring looms which you would otherwise have to specify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 Would it make more sense to have a one or two track branch line? I intend to adopt Harlequin's plan as a foundation, but the details of both stations are something I'm still thinking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chimer Posted January 15, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) Would it make more sense to have a one or two track branch line? I intend to adopt Harlequin's plan as a foundation, but the details of both stations are something I'm still thinking about. Single as designed, in my opinion. The extra pointwork required at junction and terminus to handle a double track branch would eat space and cramp things horribly. Phil, I know you said rough but to pre-empt later questions ..... I think the crossover to the left of the FY should be facing, and you need a trailing one to the right to get traffic from the FY sidings onto the inner (anti-clockwise) circuit. And a headshunt for the junction goods yard maybe? Cheers Chris Edited January 15, 2018 by Chimer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 And a small engine shed by the junction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightbe Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 If you desire, sure. But it would be completely unnecessary and would unduly clutter things. My priorities, were I adapting the above plan, would be to flesh out the two goods yards and remove one of the platforms on the BLT (it's also worth noting that the headshunt there is superfluous: shunting would occur on the running line with signalling to accommodate). "Rule 1 applies" but there's an oft-forgotten Rule 2: make it good, whatever it may be. Quentin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 A quick question: does anyone have ideas for what design software I could use? I have a mac and I definitely don't want a 'free trial' or 'half-edition'. I'd like unlimited track pieces included. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) Quick answer: see post #220 on this very thread. Edited January 24, 2018 by ejstubbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Winterbury Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 There's one problem: I completely agree with you. The two available for mac are TRAX and XtrkCAD. One is too gimmicky and the other is too complex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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