Ben04uk Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Can anyone recommend any suitable rigid (i.e. not articulated) grain tipper lorries in 4mm OO gauge, similar to that shown in the image below. I am modelling the 1960s/70s period. I can't seem to find any decent ones on the market, i.e. Oxford Diescast or Pocketbond "Classix". Edited October 30, 2017 by Ben04uk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamperman36 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 What is your modelling period. Modern days you can use the articulated tippers from Oxford but you would need to make a cover over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmc Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Wagon in picture is a Seddon with an early motor panels cab, Road Transport Images make a model of one in resin. Great photo by the way, any more details?. Regards James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted October 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2017 Wagon in picture is a Seddon with an early motor panels cab, Road Transport Images make a model of one in resin. Great photo by the way, any more details?. Regards James It looks like a screen shot from the Transport Video Publishing DVD "Pick Up Freight", which is a great record of Norfolk pick-up freight train operation in the 1960s. Filmed over several days, the loco and train changes between shots, but that doesn't jar at all; the 31 burbling through the countryside, shunting here and there, is so enthralling. Truly a by-gone era. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Base toys do one similar. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Base-Toys-Ltd-CTP-01-Ford-D-Series-2-Axle-Bulk-Tipper-Scale-1-76-Green/182535423975?epid=5003449748&hash=item2a7ff587e7:g:N1sAAOSwcdRY9lY8 The did it with most of their cabs. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Base-Toys-Ltd-Leyland-Red-Tipper-MTP-01-1-76/141869567280?epid=1623242867&hash=item210815cd30:g:wPYAAOSwKtlWi~Yl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmc Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 It looks like a screen shot from the Transport Video Publishing DVD "Pick Up Freight", which is a great record of Norfolk pick-up freight train operation in the 1960s. Filmed over several days, the loco and train changes between shots, but that doesn't jar at all; the 31 burbling through the countryside, shunting here and there, is so enthralling. Truly a by-gone era.[/quote Just ordered the the DVD, thanks for the heads up. Regards James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Bird Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 If you decide to go for the Base Toys option, don't delay as, according to another forum, they appear to have gone into liquidation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 3, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2017 Proper grain tippers were special bodies. Like a railway grain wagon they were covered with loading hatches in the roof. The principle difference (apart from size) was the method of unloading, the railways using bottom doors and most road vehicles by tipping or an Archemedes screw. The method of emptying the vehicle dictated the shape of the body, the tipper was simply a box in its basic form. The Archemedes screw version usually had a V shaped floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) In the 60s and 70s most grain haulage would still have been in open tippers, mostly with a canvas tilt, usually high sided and in some cases convertible with a detachable sides. Peter Davies' books have a good selection of images and there my be some images on the web. This aren't his but the Kenneth Wilson Foden S20 in this selection shows the typical vehicle of the time. http://picssr.com/tags/tippers/interesting/page16 Edited November 6, 2017 by RANGERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben04uk Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 In the 60s and 70s most grain haulage would still have been in open tippers, mostly with a canvas tilt, usually high sided and in some cases convertible with a detachable sides. Peter Davies' books have a good selection of images and there my be some images on the web. This aren't his but the Kenneth Wilson Foden S20 in this selection shows the typical vehicle of the time. http://picssr.com/tags/tippers/interesting/page16 Thanks Rangers - can you recommend any specific Peter Davies' books as I don't think I've come across that author before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Try this one as a starting point https://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Lorries-Sixties-Peter-Davies/dp/187156509X He's written several others with the same publisher, they turn up s/h on ebay regularly but often fetch close to the price new or even more for some titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Try this one as a starting point https://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Lorries-Sixties-Peter-Davies/dp/187156509X He's written several others with the same publisher, they turn up s/h on ebay regularly but often fetch close to the price new or even more for some titles. If the price of the books puts you off, then this site may be of interest:- http://ccmv.aecsouthall.co.uk/ It has a mixture of views of preserved and historic views. My recollection of grain-carrying vehicles was that they always seemed to have a small sliding hatch in the tailgate, presumably to allow samples to be drawn before unloading. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 My recollection of grain-carrying vehicles was that they always seemed to have a small sliding hatch in the tailgate, presumably to allow samples to be drawn before unloading. I had a summer job in the lab at Pauls and Sanders maltings in Ipswich in 1977. One of the tasks was to sample the grain from the lorries. To do this the tilt was drawn back and you had to climb on top and push a sampling tube into the load at several points. The sampler was basically two concentric tubes with holes in each which could be closed by rotating the inner tube. You pushed the sampler down into the grain with the holes closed, opened them to allow the grain in, closed them, withdrew the sampler and tipped the contents into a plastic bag. Would make a good layout cameo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 My recollection of grain-carrying vehicles was that they always seemed to have a small sliding hatch in the tailgate, presumably to allow samples to be drawn before unloading. The small door seems to be for unloading http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/images/9/9b/DSCF3991.JPG Nick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2017 The small door seems to be for unloading http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/images/9/9b/DSCF3991.JPG Nick That is one fitted with an archimedes screw as I mentioned earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMinion Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Is one of these a starting point? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ATLAS-EDITIONS-DIECAST-AEC-ERGOMATIC-6-TIPPER-LORRY-EDDIE-STOBART-1-76-NEW/401420467984?epid=1610906201&hash=item5d76863f10:g:g6cAAOSwNd9Z22d0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 That is one fitted with an archimedes screw as I mentioned earlier. Not so sure about that, the self unloading systems are rarely fitted to tipping bodies and all those I've seen have hopper bodies. The one in that pic is most definitely a "bathtub" type tipper with a flat floor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 9, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2017 Not so sure about that, the self unloading systems are rarely fitted to tipping bodies and all those I've seen have hopper bodies. The one in that pic is most definitely a "bathtub" type tipper with a flat floor. If you look closely you will see that the back of the tipper body is lower than the sides at the bottom, this suggests that the bottom is V shaped. If it was a simple box part of the load would surely get trapped in the corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I’m tending to agree with Rangers, I too am doubtful that it has screw unloading. You just would’t need it in a body tipped at that angle and if that trailer does have a screw, how is it driven? The lower back at the rear merely accommodates the end of a short internal trough which directs the flow to the lowest point. The bottom corners may have internal baffles to prevent grain lodging there. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Way back , when I was a cowman for the CWS on the Down Ampney estate, we got a Leyland Hippo 6+4 from RHM. It was fitted with a dual purpose body which could be folded down to make a flatbed or raised to make a tipper body. The back of the body was slotted in place when the sides were up. Rigidity was aided by metal rods slotted between the sides. The beast, in this form, was used to transport grain from the combine to the grain dryer on Down Ampney airfield. There was a slide in the tailgate which was raised to empty, the rate being controlled by raising and lowering the body. You had to be careful 'cos you could beat the intake screw on the dryer!! Ergonomic cab, six speed with a double axle difflock. She wouldn't 'arf go!!!!! The difflock meant that you could get off the field loaded even in wet conditions with road tyres fitted! Why was a cowman driving the wagon? Well, when we got her, the only people with the required licence were three cowmen!! I loved it!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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