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Zen Micro ZN8D Stay Alive


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On the advice found in the Hornby H class forum I purchased and fitted a Zen Micro ZN8D direct fit 8 pin decoder.  It fits nicely in the available space and the loco runs excellently.  However it came with a stay alive capacitor which I would like to fit and have located an available space almost tailor made in the bunker.  

 

When I had made sure the decoder itself was working and the loco running well I test fitted the stay alive, and this is where my question comes in.  The decoder has a purple wire at one and and two wires at the other end - one blue and one black.  The stayalive capacitor also has a blue and a black wire.  No specific instructions were provided with the decoder but logic says connect the blue and the black wires together - blue to blue and black to black.  When I test fit the capacitor in this manner the loco stops working and emits just a very low buzz.  When I remove the capacitor again it works normally.

 

Am I doing something wrong?  Are my assumption about how to wire it incorrect?  Thanks to anyone who can provide guidance

 

Norm

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It's only a thought and I could be completely wrong , but I thought Zimo provide solder pads for attaching stay alives ala Lenz Gold, hopefully someone with better knowledge than I can confirm this or consign it to the Bin .

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Going by the illustration I would also take it the blue/black wires coming out from the opposite end to those for the 8-pin were for the stay alive. It's just a thought, but the 8-pin is being fitted into the socket the right way around? Motor will still work but no lights, but if you have a loco with no lights......   I just wondered if the orientation might affect whether the stay alive works.

 

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So just a quick side note on this, buying this: https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/decoder-zen-nano-8-pin-wired-2-function-wstay-alive/ means I get the two pieces seperate, IE, they're not already connected?

 

A bit strange.

 

 

I guess they're catering for situations where the stay alive is fitted in a different space to the decoder as would have to be the case in the H Class. 

 

The only decoder i've ever fitted a stay alive to is a TCS DP2X-UK variant and IIRC i had to alter a CV to make it aware of the Stay alive. 

I don't see anything in the Zen manual that refers to this so maybe not necessay for the ZEN. I'd email DCC Concepts and see what they say, they're usually very quick with a response.

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I've fitted a lot of these stayalives. You are correct in connecting blue to blue and black to black. I've never had the buzzing sound. I would say that the stayalives are pretty useless if they're the same as the ones I fitted a couple of years ago. The energy stored is insufficient to get the loco over an insulfrog point. DCC concepts have introduced a higher capacity capacitor, but I haven't made that work successfully as yet (still trying).

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Indeed the blue and black wires are joined.  Instructions on their website I recall.  Some people cannot find the space or or do not want the stay alives.  I find them useful on some points and they do smooth out the running on my layout.

 

The new stay alives are much Much  bigger, and will likely not fit many smaller locos.  YMMV.  I have one in an old Ringfield tender drive Bittern

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Indeed the blue and black wires are joined.  Instructions on their website I recall.  Some people cannot find the space or or do not want the stay alives.  I find them useful on some points and they do smooth out the running on my layout.

 

The new stay alives are much Much  bigger, and will likely not fit many smaller locos.  YMMV.  I have one in an old Ringfield tender drive Bittern

Many thanks for the confirmation. I will have to try this again. There is room in the bunker for the supplied stay alive

Norm

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If it helps, the new  large super cap stay alive on the Bittern will run it for a couple of yards.  The others - very much smaller -  1/4"?

 

Even then some locos seem to have very little space to accommodate a small SA.  They can be separated from the chip by a fair distance, so chip in boiler and SA under coal or even under loco might work.  I got two in my Holden Tank 0-4-0  :) large

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On 14 February 2018 at 20:41, thegreenhowards said:

DCC concepts have introduced a higher capacity capacitor, but I haven't made that work successfully as yet (still trying).

A little OT but what's the problem?

 

I made some that have the same capacity and when I try them in a particular loco, the stay alive keeps the motor turning for about 4/5 seconds but then it stops.  However, the (LED) lights stay on for about 20 more seconds before they get too dim for me to see.

 

I think it's a Zimo chip so I wonder if the DCC signal timeout needs adjusting, and whether this could be a problem with the DCC Concepts stay alive.

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10 hours ago, Sir TophamHatt said:

A little OT but what's the problem?

 

I made some that have the same capacity and when I try them in a particular loco, the stay alive keeps the motor turning for about 4/5 seconds but then it stops.  However, the (LED) lights stay on for about 20 more seconds before they get too dim for me to see.

 

I think it's a Zimo chip so I wonder if the DCC signal timeout needs adjusting, and whether this could be a problem with the DCC Concepts stay alive.

I have now made them work. The problem was with the decoder. While the decoder works fine, the stayalive made no difference. I tried two decoders with the same result. I then gave up for a bit, but when I came back to it, I tried a different DCC Concepts decoder and it worked fine. 

 

Andy

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