Annie's Virtual Pre-Grouping, Grouping and BR Layouts & Workbench

[Compound2632]

24 minutes ago, Annie said:

Presently teaching 14xx's to behave. 

 

Sounds like Year 8 (12-13-year-olds) to me. Troublesome trucks is nothing to it.

Edited January 8 by Compound2632
Too brackety

[Annie]

I only went to have a look at a trackwork problem at the big timber merchants at Gwenadwy and ended up rebuilding the station, installing a goods shed, tidying up the town and completely rebuilding the timber merchant's premises as well.  

Mind you it did need it as there was already a long 'To-Do' list for Gwenadwy, but at least most of it is done now.  Taking snaps of Gwenadwy at close of play are certainly useful as looking at them now i can see a few small things that needed finishing off.

 

 

 

 

Somehow while doing all this I managed not to disturb this young couple who only had eyes for each other.

 

[Edwardian]

 

 

Him: Forgive me?
Her: Forgive you for what?
Him: For everything. For meeting you, in the first place. For taking the piece of grit out of your eye. For loving you. For bringing you so much misery.
Her: I'll forgive you if you'll forgive me.

 

Cue the Rachmaninov and break out the Cleanex!

 

[Annie]

2 hours ago, Edwardian said:

Him: Forgive me?
Her: Forgive you for what?
Him: For everything. For meeting you, in the first place. For taking the piece of grit out of your eye. For loving you. For bringing you so much misery.
Her: I'll forgive you if you'll forgive me.

 

Cue the Rachmaninov and break out the Cleanex!

Wonderful, - thank you for making me smile this morning.

[Edwardian]

5 minutes ago, Annie said:

Wonderful, - thank you for making me smile this morning.

 

I love that filum. It is splendid in every way, not least in the delivery of its dialogue. It is also a sober reminder that "there ar'unt any pwantomimes in Juin!" 

[Annie]

6 hours ago, Edwardian said:

 

I love that filum. It is splendid in every way, not least in the delivery of its dialogue. It is also a sober reminder that "there ar'unt any pwantomimes in Juin!" 

A film that I must watch again sometime soon (Checks stocks of heavy duty tissues).

 

A scruffy little 14xx that was sent off to find their shirtbuttons.  I'm not going to stand for any more engines straying off into the 1940s and they are going to have to learn to smarten themselves up and dress properly. 

Now I just need to catch up with that Dukedog and sort it out.

 

[Edwardian]

1 hour ago, Annie said:

A film that I must watch again sometime soon (Checks stocks of heavy duty tissues).

 

A scruffy little 14xx that was sent off to find their shirtbuttons.  I'm not going to stand for any more engines straying off into the 1940s and they are going to have to learn to smarten themselves up and dress properly. 

Now I just need to catch up with that Dukedog and sort it out.

 

 

It's a lovely ;ittle 14XX, though I suspect as a 4800 it  would be a better fit. No steps on the cabside, which is encouraging, yet the cab roof grab rail for them is there! And the top feed is problematic. I will assume, however, that's the correct number of rivets!

 

Hedging bets with both red and white bodied lamps!

 

 

[Annie]

1 hour ago, Edwardian said:

 

It's a lovely little 14XX, though I suspect as a 4800 it  would be a better fit. No steps on the cabside, which is encouraging, yet the cab roof grab rail for them is there! And the top feed is problematic. I will assume, however, that's the correct number of rivets!

 

Hedging bets with both red and white bodied lamps!

 

 

This is the 'shirtbutton' 14xx's partner in crime.  I also had a look at the BR black liveried version as well as it is by the same maker.  All three share the same body with the only difference being the livery they are wearing.  They were made some time ago for Trainz TS2009 by a gentleman named George Bales who also made a fair number of other post-Grouping GWR engines in both GWR and BR liveries around the same time.

 

I have heard some criticism that his engines aren't always completely accurate, but there's no denying the attention to detail that he put into them.  I don't know what sources of information he used and while he is a member of the creator group I belong to I don't know him well enough to ask.  Unfortunately due to ill health he is no longer making locomotive models for Trainz which is a great loss to the Uk Trainz community.

 

I was reading somewhere recently that red lamps persisted on the GWR for some time after the official change over to white lamps, - so hedging bets with both red and white lamps on engines always makes me smile.

 

Edited January 10 by Annie
can't spell for toffee

[Annie]

4 hours ago, Edwardian said:

It's a lovely little 14XX, though I suspect as a 4800 it  would be a better fit.

I've had a look at the 14xx's magic numbering system that allows it to be given the number of any one of the 75 14xx's that were built and I think it's highly possible to change it to work with the 4800 class numbers instead.

[Annie]

My intentions with tidying up 'Tristyn in Winter' is not to make a super finescale job of it, but instead to retain its basic charm.  The original Tristyn had its origins in TS2009 and much of the ideas behind Trainz in those days was about being able to create a digital model railway rather than a living breathing digital representation of reality which is where Trainz is going at present.

In those early days of Trainz some of the creator group guys made a kitset of basic parts that could be used to create towns.  In many ways the design owed much to children's building blocks.

 

Here's me assembling a block of shops at Gwenadwy.  The body of the shops is one block, a roof to fit the block is another.  Then there's a variety of chimneys and chimney pots.

 

 

I had no end of fun with the chimney pots placing them in a random mix on top of the chimneys.  I almost got a bit carried away with it and started to put chimney pots on other buildings, but I managed to overcome that silly impulse before it ran away with me.  Unfortunately only one type of chimney pot had a smoke generator, but I think it worked out Ok despite that.

 

 

 

 

[eheaps]

Whilst looking for details on different types of French locomotive tenders for a potential future modelling project I stumbled across this delightfully Gallic Sharpie of 1879, which I thought would make a good cheer up picture.

 

[Annie]

3 hours ago, eheaps said:

Whilst looking for details on different types of French locomotive tenders for a potential future modelling project I stumbled across this delightfully Gallic Sharpie of 1879, which I thought would make a good cheer up picture.

 

What a fascinating picture, - thanks very much Ed and a Happy New Year to you for 2024.  😁

Edited January 10 by Annie
Um.........

[Annie]

A snap taken at Gwenadwy of one of my latest finds for Trainz in Winter.  A basic model of a GWR pedestal water tower has been available for Trainz ever since the early days of the simulator, but this model complete with ice fighting heater stove made by George Bales for TS2009 had somehow evaded my attention.

Gwenadwy is a junction station and to my mind at least is a station of some importance, but somehow it ended up being a not very well done after thought with minimal railway infrastructure.

 

[Annie]

After doing some further reading about GWR Autocoaches (thanks Wikipedia) I decided to try out the piggy locomotive in the middle method of operating two autocoaches in company with my naughty now well behaved 14xx's.

According to Wikipedia suburban services around Plymouth often used four autocoaches with the locomotive in the middle, but that might be going a bit far for local passenger services in Tristyn & District. 

On my early BR ex-LNWR Borders layout I ran motor train services with up to four coaches mostly because I could, but I think I'm a bit more sensible with my train sets now.

 

Autocoaches/Driving Trailers/Motor Train Coaches & etc need to be set up differently to ordinary passenger coaches in Trainz for them to work properly and the two coach sets definitely function better with interactive passenger platforms with the piggy locomotive in the middle.

 

That's not an officially approved GWR tie!!  This particular driver figure first started out as a bus driver for a driveable Daimler bus and he can now be found with his bold red tie driving all manner of vehicles in Trainz.

That windscreen wiper works by the way.  A very clever piece of animation.

 

 

Andy Smith was the very clever creator behind this autocoach and many other coaches and  animated objects for Trainz.  Sad to say he was taken from this world far too soon leaving behind an incredible legacy and we can only wonder what else he might have achieved had he lived longer.

 

 

 

[figworthy]

@Annie, have you seen this ?

 

in particular the photos at the end.

 

Adrian

[Annie]

2 hours ago, figworthy said:

@Annie, have you seen this ?

 

in particular the photos at the end.

 

Adrian

Thanks Adrian, - that Broad Gauge 3501 class tank engine is absolutely amazing.

 

The strange thing is though I've only just discovered where I could obtain an ex-Cardiff Railways 155 tank engine for Trainz and there's this webpage shown to me of a clever chap making one.

[mpeffers]

On 11/01/2024 at 05:59, Annie said:

After doing some further reading about GWR Autocoaches (thanks Wikipedia) I decided to try out the piggy locomotive in the middle method of operating two autocoaches in company with my naughty now well behaved 14xx's.

According to Wikipedia suburban services around Plymouth often used four autocoaches with the locomotive in the middle, but that might be going a bit far for local passenger services in Tristyn & District. 

Skimming through my Gloucestershire railways books, having a pair of autocoaches trailing (or leading) as opposed to one either side of the engine doesn't appear to be uncommon. I don't know if practices changed over time - most of the photos are from the final years of the services.

 

I don't think you could have more than two autocoaches on either side of the engine though, unless anyone else knows different? Possibly due to slack in the mechanical linkages.

[Annie]

7 minutes ago, mpeffers said:

I don't think you could have more than two autocoaches on either side of the engine though, unless anyone else knows different? Possibly due to slack in the mechanical linkages.

I think that was the limitation with the autocoaches.  Any more than two of them coupled together and the linkages had so much play that it became impossible to operate the regulator effectively.

 

I have run the autocoaches on Tristyn in pairs, either trailing or leading as required, but for working into the bay platforms at Branwyn and Gwenadwy they seem to do better with the engine in the middle.

[Compound2632]

3 minutes ago, Annie said:

I think that was the limitation with the autocoaches.  Any more than two of them coupled together and the linkages had so much play that it became impossible to operate the regulator effectively.

 

The Midland / LMS vacuum control system was much more robust but even then I don't think I've seen an instance of more than two carriages on one side of the engine. But I don't know whether that was due to technical limitations of the system, concerns about propelling vehicles, or simply passenger numbers on the lines served by motor trains. The whole point was to reduce operating expenses on lightly-used services! 

[Annie]

7 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

The Midland / LMS vacuum control system was much more robust but even then I don't think I've seen an instance of more than two carriages on one side of the engine. But I don't know whether that was due to technical limitations of the system, concerns about propelling vehicles, or simply passenger numbers on the lines served by motor trains. The whole point was to reduce operating expenses on lightly-used services! 

I know the North Eastern Railway made use of long motor trains of several coaches for some passenger services, but in the GWR's use of autocoaches they were mainly providing an easily managed passenger service to branchlines where the numbers of daily passengers were relatively small.

Passenger services around Plymouth where up to four autocoaches were used in trains don't seem to have been copied elsewhere on the GWR system.

 

The award for the worst motor train control system would have to go the Great Eastern's less than best wire and string attempt that barely ever worked and was largely ignored by GER crews who in later years prefered to use the whistle to signal to one another instead.

[Annie]

Temperatures were horribly hot here today at 33 degrees so the only answer to that was to play Trainz  in the snow.

I'd tidied up the steelworks at Daere a bit even though I haven't much of a clue as to what a steelworks should look like.  I'd also sorted out the sidings so that they could actually be shunted and added in an interactive unloading track so that coal could be delivered.  All of which led me to attempting to figure out a schedule for getting coal to Daere Steel Co.

 

 

 

I know it's small for a steelworks and the sidings are hardly extensive, but that's because it was originally jammed in place right beside the edge of the layout board with only enough room for Daere station to fit in next to it.

 

 

The siding were wonderfully puzzley to shunt with only really enough room for the five 20 ton wagons to be maneuvered about  once the brake van was dropped off.  I normally like shunting puzzles, but on this occasion I started to wonder if I'd overdone it a bit.

Using a 56xx as a shunter wasn't the best with the limited space, but once I find where i archived away my Peckett K's one of those will be on the job instead.

[MikeOxon]

On 11/01/2024 at 05:59, Annie said:

After doing some further reading about GWR Autocoaches (thanks Wikipedia) I decided to try out the piggy locomotive in the middle method of operating two autocoaches in company with my naughty now well behaved 14xx's.

On interesting variant of GWR autotrains was the use of some 517 class engines encased in 'coach-like' cladding, as seen in a photo at Trumpers Crossing halt.  Could make an unusual model!

 

 

Apparently, some auto-fitted engines were painted brown, as a less complex method for making them 'blend in'

 

Mike

[MikeOxon]

4 hours ago, Annie said:

... though I haven't much of a clue as to what a steelworks should look like.

My impression from driving through South Wales is of rather messy structures full of smoke and steam and with lots of tall towers and chimneys.

Attribution:

Chris Shaw / Port Talbot Steelworks /https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/

Edited January 13 by MikeOxon

[Annie]

1 hour ago, MikeOxon said:

One interesting variant of GWR autotrains was the use of some 517 class engines encased in 'coach-like' cladding, as seen in a photo at Trumpers Crossing halt.  Could make an unusual model!

 

 

Apparently, some auto-fitted engines were painted brown, as a less complex method for making them 'blend in'

 

Mike

Thanks Mike.  I'd heard about the brown painted engines before, but it was only this past week while reading up on autotrains that I came across the mention of the fully encased engines.  I'd not see a picture of one though until this one you've posted here now.  It's almost like an upmarket GER C53 tram engine in some ways.

Apparently they weren't very popular with the engine crews, - though I must agree that they would make an interesting model.

 

57 minutes ago, MikeOxon said:

My impression from driving through South Wales is of rather messy structures full of smoke and steam and with lots of tall towers and chimneys.

Attribution:

Chris Shaw / Port Talbot Steelworks /https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/

Thanks again Mike.  Yes that is very much the kind of thing I thought Daere Steel Co should be looking like even though I don't know what half of all that is for.  There are a fairly good selection of steelworks type buildings  available in Trainz, but trying to fit them onto the small patch of ground in some kind of plausible shape or form at Daere is pretty much a lost cause.  If i was going to the trouble of replicating something like Port Talbot I would need to add a whole new baseboard onto the side of the layout and even then I think I would be scratching for enough space to do it all justice.

No I think Daere Steel Co might find itself being renamed to Daere Engineering Co which would be a whole lot more believable.

[Annie]

1 hour ago, MikeOxon said:

My impression from driving through South Wales is of rather messy structures full of smoke and steam and with lots of tall towers and chimneys.

I've just had a hunt about in my TANE installation and sure enough I've still got a copy of a portion of a massive Uk layout called 'A Moment in Time' that I ran trains all over when I first purchased TS2009 World Builder Edition.  The original layout was HUGE and even makes Tristyn in Winter look small, -  and I don't think that I ever managed to visit every industry or station on 'A Moment in Time'.

 

However the piece that I lifted out from it made for a more attractive proposition as a layout and I had a lot of fun with it.  And one of the industries that it did have was a steelworks, - which I dubbed 'the environmental disaster area'.

Now if that was beside the tracks at Daere I might believe it, - but with what is there now at Daere, - sorry no.