pete_mcfarlane Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I spotted this through the wonders of Facebook (and google translate). Luckily everyone got out, as the fire seems to have melted one of the carriages. https://www.express.de/news/panorama/frankfurt-koeln-video-zeigt-feuer-inferno-im-ice-wagen---bahnstrecke-weiter-gesperrt-31429150?dmcid=sm_fb Are they aluminium bodied? I seem to remember reading about a similar problem with aluminium warships in the Falklands War, where the temperature of the fire is greater than the melting point of Aluminium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 From the report I translated, one broken ankle, presumably as part of the evac. Good to hear it wasn't more serious.Bit of a mess! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) I spotted this through the wonders of Facebook (and google translate). Luckily everyone got out, as the fire seems to have melted one of the carriages. https://www.express.de/news/panorama/frankfurt-koeln-video-zeigt-feuer-inferno-im-ice-wagen---bahnstrecke-weiter-gesperrt-31429150?dmcid=sm_fb Are they aluminium bodied? I seem to remember reading about a similar problem with aluminium warships in the Falklands War, where the temperature of the fire is greater than the melting point of Aluminium. Not just warships in the Falklands War, also aircraft, such as the BA 737 that caught fire on the runway at Manchester during take-off in August 1985. The pictures show parts of the fuselage had melted in the heat. An internet search suggests that aluminium melts at about 660 degrees centigrade whereas steel melts at a bit over 1,400 degrees centigrade. Edited October 12, 2018 by GoingUnderground Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted October 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2018 And the "Turbo" in the Ladbroke Grove crash... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 And the "Turbo" in the Ladbroke Grove crash... I think that was smashed into small pieces by the impact rather than melting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michl080 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Are they aluminium bodied? I seem to remember reading about a similar problem with aluminium warships in the Falklands War, where the temperature of the fire is greater than the melting point of Aluminium. Pete, the German text says that the plastic body melted. Frankly, I don't believe that it is Plastic or Aluminum. The superstructure is certainly steel, only isolation and interior may contain significant amounts of Aluminium and Plastic. Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted October 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2018 Carbon fibre perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Any idea what started the fire? I've not seen any FB reports other than the original post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Any idea what started the fire? I've not seen any FB reports other than the original post. Preliminary investigation = overheating axle bearing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 ... An internet search suggests that aluminium melts at about 660 degrees centigrade whereas steel melts at a bit over 1,400 degrees centigrade. It does more than just melt in appropriate oxidising conditions, as those who have used the thermit(e) reaction will well know. An aluminium structure can literally 'disappear' in a fire. Iron burns too of course, but usually rather more slowly, and the resulting rust is an inconvenience rather than an immediate peril. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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