arran Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 HI All I've been getting asked for Manchester Liner containers but info on 20ft boxes are a bit thin on the ground. I have what you can find on the net but more info is required to get this up to an acceptable std, so any info could be of great help. Regards Arran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wibble Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 HI All I've been getting asked for Manchester Liner containers but info on 20ft boxes are a bit thin on the ground. I have what you can find on the net but more info is required to get this up to an acceptable std, so any info could be of great help. Regards Arran PM sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wibble Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Something like this? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Hi Arran, I have sent you a PM with some photos attached. There are plenty of 20' boxes and also some 20' half height opens, you may be able to work out what the types are and also the Triang offering looks to have the correct style of markings that would only need slight adjustment for a 20' box. Gibbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Photo off google images http://www.matts-place.com/intermodal/part1/images/ag/mlx970069.jpg http://www.matts-place.com/intermodal/part1/images/ag/mlh130041.jpg http://www.matts-place.com/intermodal/part2/images/opentops/mls040124.jpg https://www.matts-place.com/intermodal/part1/images/ag/mlf005531-p.jpg http://www.shipsunderway.co.uk/FRONTIER.JPG Brit15 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arran Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 HI All I found this door pic that fits in with what i have model wise. Regards Arran 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) Would love to see some early Manchester liners containers as my late dad worked for them when I was born in 1966 Some other early containers would also be good such as sainsburys beef and fyffes ala the triang ones Edited December 17, 2018 by russ p 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim76 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Hi Arran, all. When would’ve these operated until? Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted December 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2018 Hi I'm assuming these will be 4mm only. Cheers Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Hi I'm assuming these will be 4mm only. Cheers Paul That is correct. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arran Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Hi all I think they went bust in the mid 80s so up until then and like all other bust companies there box’s linger on for a while. As for N I dot have that sort of container yet . Regards Arran Edited December 18, 2018 by arran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim76 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Hi Arran, any update on this project at all? I would be interested in some, Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arran Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 HI Jim I think i have enough info to do a 20f' x 8'6" as built by WH Davis in the 80s so hopefully the third quarter of this year, Next OO production back by popular demand will be the Freightline 20ft red and white due in this month . Regards Arran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim76 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Great, thanks Arran appreciate your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w124bob Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I'm also looking for Manchester Liners containers , have I missed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arran Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 13 hours ago, w124bob said: I'm also looking for Manchester Liners containers , have I missed them. no Its getting the info correct but its on the hit list . Regards Arran 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Dunford East 1972 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Hi Folks, Here are two I made earlier: I missed the fork pockets though because I'm not really all that good ! Gibbo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Available in HO by Walthers, but the postage will cost more than the container! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ho-Container-20-Foot-Manchester-Liners-8656-Neu-/373448118759 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184097240419 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 A twist on the Manchester Liners theme, I wonder if anyone can help with more details or photos of what might have been their earliest container livery? Manchester Liners carried their first ISO containers in 1966, two years before their first dedicated cellular container ships entered service. I think the familiar livery shown above dates from 1968 with the new container ships. But I've found several bits of evidence for an earlier livery. Firstly, this photo dating from 1967 or the early part of 1968 showing off a Metro-Cammell soft-top container. Note the adjacent one has a pale colour, a dark square logo panel with the ML red/white flag and 'MANCHESTER LINERS' below. Also note the round holes in the corner castings which are not in accordance with the 1967 ISO standard. The doors have 3 hinges and each has only one locking bar rather than the usual two. Then there is this photo (cropped from a much larger stack) dating from 1970, showing a container in the same livery. By 1970 it's a bit weathered and tatty, suggesting it is older than the one below it: Although this is a conventional container rather than a soft-top, it has common features with the one above including the rib spacing, three door hinges and one locking bar per door. The livery looks paler than the red one under it. Then (and this is where I start to get particularly interested) there are these two photos showing what appears to be the same type of soft-top containers on Conflat ISO (ex-Lowmac) wagons, also in 1970: Note again the 3 door hinges, 1 locking bar per door, same colour scheme. Although the photo below is distant (look above the concrete barge on the right) it looks to have the same square logo panel and flag logo as the ones above. On a better quality version of the image above that I have purchased, the serial number begins MLS which would be right for a Manchester Liners soft-top 20' box. It might be MLS 748414 but it's a bit lost in the original film resolution. These containers were made from mild steel (we know that from the Metro-Cammell details accompanying the first photo) so they would have been painted. My guess on the livery is: Pale grey main body, black panel with red and white flag, white 'MANCHESTER LINERS'. Other numbers etc in black, TIR in white on blue as usual. Red ML soft-top containers had yellow roof sheets, but I think these look darker - possibly blue? So, has anyone else come across photos of Manchester Liners containers in this livery? And can anyone confirm the livery? The final tenuous clue is this colour image from 1971 which does show two grey containers in the stack. Containers other than Manchester Liners ones were very rare on 9 dock at this time, but there's no 100% guarantee that those grey ones are ML. I'm contemplating making one of these early soft-top containers as a load for my Conflat ISO. The other option would be to go for a 'standard' ML container as in this photo at the same location. Perhaps I will do one of each? Incidentally, note the prominent 'ML' on the roof of these ones below: Thanks, Mol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Now, at risk of boring anyone with more Manchester Liners container liveries, I have at least one more and possibly two, both from the late 1960s. This photo at Manchester 8 pier in 1970 isn't very clear, but it shows two containers on the left simply lettered ML. The likelihood is that they are Manchester Liners containers, because the M slightly higher than the L was a feature of their logos. There was also a Metric Line carrying containers from the MSC at this time, which is an outside possibility. However, of those two 'ML' containers, look at the box on top of the right-hand one. It has two vertical logo panels and four forklift slots, which were less common features at this time. In fact, it looks a lot like this one, photographed on Manchester 9 dock in 1970: In the first photo we can't make out the black lettering, but the shape and position of the white lettering on the left-hand panel looks the same. But what does it say? Well here's the third photo I have of this type, in the late 1960s: And now we can see it is indeed a Manchester Liners container, complete with the usual lettering and logo, but laid out in an unusual way with small black letters. We still can't read the white lettering. The base colour looks a bit paler than the normal Manchester Liners red, though it's hard to tell. In the last photo we can read the serial number which is L83272. In the 1960s, Manchester Liners containers would normally have serial numbers starting ML then another letter indicating the type, followed by a 6-digit number. So perhaps this type of container was leased to Manchester Liners and painted in a simplified livery? Red oxide base colour maybe? Any more info, photos or thoughts on these would be much appreciated. Cheers, Mol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Moving forward slightly in date to the 1970s (I think), here is another type of Manchester Liners container - the bulk grain box. Another is seen here in colour, showing the other end with the grain discharge door: https://public.fotki.com/Scottishtruckphotos/scottish-trucks/glasgow__the_west/general_haulage/james-craig-barrhea/fxs-190f-volvo-f86.html Both appear to be the same type of container numbered in the MLK series. Neither of the photos shows the top, but most grain containers had a filler hatch on the roof. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 And finally for now, if anyone wants to know what the underneath of a container looks like, here is one of the more common Manchester Liners alloy containers after a bit of a whoops: I have collated some more images of different Manchester Liners containers. If people are interested, I can keep posting more here. Mol 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I think I posted this in another thread on here, but I took this photo at the then brand new Walton Container Terminal in 1982 when I was working there. It does show a few ML containers as they were users of that terminal when it opened and had their own staff based there as well. The North rail terminal can just be made out, still under construction, beyond the shed & admin block as well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 11 hours ago, Mol_PMB said: Now, at risk of boring anyone with more Manchester Liners container liveries, I have at least one more and possibly two, both from the late 1960s. This photo at Manchester 8 pier in 1970 isn't very clear, but it shows two containers on the left simply lettered ML. The likelihood is that they are Manchester Liners containers, because the M slightly higher than the L was a feature of their logos. There was also a Metric Line carrying containers from the MSC at this time, which is an outside possibility. However, of those two 'ML' containers, look at the box on top of the right-hand one. It has two vertical logo panels and four forklift slots, which were less common features at this time. In fact, it looks a lot like this one, photographed on Manchester 9 dock in 1970: In the first photo we can't make out the black lettering, but the shape and position of the white lettering on the left-hand panel looks the same. But what does it say? Well here's the third photo I have of this type, in the late 1960s: And now we can see it is indeed a Manchester Liners container, complete with the usual lettering and logo, but laid out in an unusual way with small black letters. We still can't read the white lettering. The base colour looks a bit paler than the normal Manchester Liners red, though it's hard to tell. In the last photo we can read the serial number which is L83272. In the 1960s, Manchester Liners containers would normally have serial numbers starting ML then another letter indicating the type, followed by a 6-digit number. So perhaps this type of container was leased to Manchester Liners and painted in a simplified livery? Red oxide base colour maybe? Any more info, photos or thoughts on these would be much appreciated. Cheers, Mol Interesting to see the trailer in the background uses a 'Scammell' coupling; I didn't realise they were used for heavier trailers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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