spikey Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Whenever I think back to a BD container on a wagon in the late 50s early 60s, I picture a Conflat A. But I'm sure I also saw some on one-plank wagons. Could that have been so? Reason I ask is I've aquired a few BDs so I'm now on the lookout for suitable wagons, and one-planks seem to be more plentiful secondhand pre-owned than Conflats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2018 Lowfits carried markings specifically forbidding their use in carrying containers, which were only very occasionally flouted. Bachmann recently did a pair of Conflats without containers which might be worth looking out for if you need several. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2018 It was quite common to see containers loaded in 5-plank open wagons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 It was quite common to see containers loaded in 5-plank open wagons. Indeed. Problem is, Bachmann BD containers don't fit into Bachmann 5-plank wagons ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 It would depend if the doors could be opened to allow the container to be unloaded on the wagon, or if the available crane had the clearance to lift the container clear of the sides. I'm sure there were formal rules about what was allowed. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2018 If you only want to load or unload them off scene you need to file the bumpers off the bottom corners IIRC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 ...Problem is, Bachmann BD containers don't fit into Bachmann 5-plank wagons ... That's because they aren't models of general merchandise opens (GMO). Among RTR models they will fit inside Bach's high steel (a common choice for this purpose) and Hornby's old (ex-Airfix) five plank GMO models; and probably the Oxford LNER six plank GMO but I haven't tried that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 ... they will fit inside Bach's high steel (a common choice for this purpose) ... Ahah! I am obliged to you, sir - but what, pray, is a "high steel"? What do Bachmann call it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 One of these. Ignore the bit about it being grey. https://www.hattons.co.uk/182277/Bachmann_Branchline_38_331_13T_high_sided_steel_wagon_with_chain_pockets_in_LNER_grey/StockDetail.aspx Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/Booklet_BR20427_Issue.pdf According to paragraph 4b containers were not permitted on lowfits because the width of the floor was such that they were liable to move sideways and infringe the loading gauge. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 It would depend if the doors could be opened to allow the container to be unloaded on the wagon, or if the available crane had the clearance to lift the container clear of the sides. I'm sure there were formal rules about what was allowed. Jon The idea of putting the container in a high or medium is so the doors can not be opened and was used for high value loads! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 One of these. Ignore the bit about it being grey. https://www.hattons.co.uk/182277/Bachmann_Branchline_38_331_13T_high_sided_steel_wagon_with_chain_pockets_in_LNER_grey/StockDetail.aspx Sorry, but I have to ask ... chain pockets? How did that work, exactly? I remember seeing the wagons, but I don't ever remember seeing anything secured by chains in one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evertrainz Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 BD containers could be loaded into, as mentioned, Medfits and highfits but I don't think Lowfits were used. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/100419-lowfit/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted December 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2018 Here’s a link to a nice model, which shows the way containers were secured. The chain pocket contained chains with adjustable shackles which would screw down to tighten the container.http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/27/entry-14984-gwr-conflat-container/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Didn't the LMS build some single-plank wagons with fixed sides, specifically to carry containers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 One of these. Ignore the bit about it being grey. https://www.hattons.co.uk/182277/Bachmann_Branchline_38_331_13T_high_sided_steel_wagon_with_chain_pockets_in_LNER_grey/StockDetail.aspx Jason I think BR did a single lot of these unfitted, so in BR grey, photograph in Larkin's BR Wagons tome Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Right Away Posted December 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2018 Bachmann 37-930A, 37-930B and 37-930C are 3 plankers with BD containers; perhaps the wagons can be sourced on their own secondhand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2018 Indeed. Problem is, Bachmann BD containers don't fit into Bachmann 5-plank wagons ... Indeed, because Bachmann 5-planks are ex-PO types on 9' underframes. Try the 3-plank wagon and the ex-LNER steel body highfit. The BD definitely goes into the former (I think Bachmann have done so themselves) but I'm not sure about the other one. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Didn't the LMS build some single-plank wagons with fixed sides, specifically to carry containers? https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsopen/e2d90e295 This is the one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 In spite of the prohibition on lowfits carrying containers I'm fairly sure a photo was once posted on RMWeb of exactly that. Don't ask me to find it or provide a link though . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Didn't the LMS build some single-plank wagons with fixed sides, specifically to carry containers? They also converted loads of ex LNWR wagons to one plank container wagons. http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/Wagons/open/Diag103.php https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmscontainer Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Sorry, but I have to ask ... chain pockets? How did that work, exactly? I remember seeing the wagons, but I don't ever remember seeing anything secured by chains in one. I've no idea how they worked in practise, but the pockets are the circular things. These wagons were produced with numerous varations, one of which is reflected in one of our wagons which has chain pockets, evident from the dimples that adorn the sides of the wagon body whereas the other two wagons have flush sides. Chain pockets were provided as anchor points for chains and ropes etc which would have been used to secure large or abnormal loads. https://Bachmann-collectorsclub.co.uk/products/past-products/zgv-open-wagon-set.html Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 OK, so I now know what's what with the wagons, but I'm really intrigued about the chain pockets. I imagine the depression has a bar across the diameter to which a chain can be attached, but was that for securing a BD container or what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 There is a photo in one of my wagon books of a container in a steel high wagon. I have not checked to see whether a Bachmann container will fit into a Bachmann steel high. For obvious reasons, the model's sides and ends can be a little thicker than scale, which may be just enough to prevent the container going in neatly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 20, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2018 In spite of the prohibition on lowfits carrying containers I'm fairly sure a photo was once posted on RMWeb of exactly that. Don't ask me to find it or provide a link though . It definitely did happen occasionally, and I recall seeing two or three pictures, including the one you mention. Presumably, if a container had to be moved and there was nothing more suitable available, needs must. The prohibition reflected the difficulty of attaching containers securely to such wagons using rope and will almost certainly have arisen from instances of them coming loose in earlier times. A loaded container weighing several tons would easily stretch ropes if it shifted, hence the provision of steel shackles on wagons designed for carrying them. However, anything that's exceptional on the prototype should be rare in model form, too, so it's best not to portray it more than once on the same layout. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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