DavidBelcher Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 In fairness Tony, the A1 design is simply the 6ft 8in version of the A2, granted from new incorporating the double chimney and kylchap of the last few A2s <Pedantry> Only Bronzino had the alterations from new, though - the others were tweaked after the first A1 had already appeared. I don't think any A1 had the multi-valve regulator used on Sugar Palm and co. fitted, either - that seems to have been a try-out with a nod to the BR Standards. </Pedantry> David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 A P2 would FLATTEN the 1 in 49 to Goathland, True but would it have problems with the tighter curves further south? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 Very Nice, always liked these. I actually like the Thompson rebuilds too (ducks for cover) will everything be ok with Network rail and this locos wheel arrangement? just have visions of some pen pusher saying its not allowed to run. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBelcher Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 Don't see why not, for instance eight-coupled 48151 is OK for the main line. I think it's just the 9Fs and their flangeless centre drivers that are an issue with NR. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 It shouldn't be a problem Mike - though with a long fixed wheelbase it's possible NWR may restrict where it can run. Don't see why not, for instance eight-coupled 48151 is OK for the main line. I think it's just the 9Fs and their flangeless centre drivers that are an issue with NR. I was told by one of my former directors that the issue, from what was aware, was the combination of a flangeless wheel and vertical trackwork and issues around S&C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Brunel Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 My first thought was Hurricane, but then had a bit of a brainwave with Eastern Eagle - named for the eastern imperial eagle, and eastern playing on the E in LNER. LNER 2007, Eastern Eagle. Sounds good! That said, there's great merit in finding a Scottish name that will fit in with the originals, although one could argue the A1 Trust have broken that trend with Tornado in any event. A Scottish name? How about 2007 Fort William (railway connections) or 2007 Ben Nevis (close to railway line, famous landmark)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 "Cock 'O the North" would be the best name....It would resonate with the public, and TV would love it!!! Then after a few years convert it into a Thompson A2/2. ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted April 29, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 29, 2010 A P2 would FLATTEN the 1 in 49 to Goathland Did you mean straighten it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 29, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 29, 2010 It shouldn't be a problem Mike - though with a long fixed wheelbase it's possible NWR may restrict where it can run. I was told by one of my former directors that the issue, from what was aware, was the combination of a flangeless wheel and vertical trackwork and issues around S&C That is correct - and was basically the consequence of a derailment of 'a certain 9F' in exactly such a situation followed by investigations which revealed that combination to pose a very high risk of a repeat. As I understand it the problem arose from a design change to cast crossings (well that was one story). As far as an 8F is concerned the rigid wheelbase is 17ft 3ins, the rigid wheelbase of a P2 was 19ft 6ins (plus another 9ft 6ins between the trailing driver and the rear carrying wheels) and the originals reportedly suffered problems with journal wear although that was admittedly on the sinuous route north of Edinburgh. I think it safe to say that any sort of curve which produces flange squeal under an 8F is likely to suffer sidecut and potential 'straightening' under a P2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold LH&JC Posted April 30, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30, 2010 Did you mean straighten it? Hmmm it might. Still it would look good with the teak rake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Badgers Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 fantastic news... it'll do until my plan to construct a time machine, become a massive millionaire, and foist money into the hands of the scrapyard owners back in the 50s / 60s to achieve some kind of LNER Barry-a-like. But then if I had been able to do so, you'd think I was just taking the p1ss in a rather unsettling way look i've had a hard week ok? Ahem Anyhoo, definitely the one rebuild I've been craving. Nice... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 YES, let us hope it bears fruit, if in the event it goes ahead what do you think of "BEN NEVIS" as a Name Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 In keeping with the LNER naming policy on various grounds how about Roseate Tern? If they could get both the original valve gear and the water heater to work it would be quite an achievement. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukebox Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 I have to agree - a P2 also interests me more than Tornado. One benefit is when the punters start to get a bit bored with it, put on the streamlining. Any ideas yet for names? My suggestion would be Knight of the Thistle. Cheers David I know they've been used before, but I always thought Robert The Bruce was a great name for a loco servicing points North. Of course, you could be a little tricky, and "do a Thompson" by taking the first A2/1's name Highland Chieftain and putting it back on a Gresley design... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Badgers Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 plenty of ideas for names then. Reckon the Trust should run a competition to name the project. I like Knight of The Thistle though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 The names of the P2s all relate to people and things of specific relevance to the area between Edinburgh and Aberdeen. While Highland Chieftan is a good name, Edinburgh and Aberdeen are on the wrong side of the Highland Boundary. Both Roberts (the Bruce and Burns) were from Ayrshire. In the spirit of the original names, and trying to get a bit of a gender balance, how about Saint Margaret? Cheers David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 This story has now reached the BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8655914.stm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted May 2, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 2, 2010 In keeping with the LNER naming policy on various grounds how about Roseate Tern? Since it would be a long-delayed re-introduction, perhaps Great Bustard would be more appropriate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Osprey might also be appropriate - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_Class_A4_4488_Union_of_South_Africa - although the feathered variety was nesting in Northumberland last year - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/8093664.stm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Just thought of another one that fits with the naming philosophy of the originals - Marchmont Herald (one of the heraldic Officers of Arms in the Court of the Lord Lyon). Cheers David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 That sounds more like naming it after a newspaper. I think we are getting a wee bit ahead of ourselves here. They haven't even decided if it is feasable yet and you are throwing names about! I suppose it will be something with a Scottish theme but it might come down to a generous benefactor deciding the name as with Tornado. How about Flying Scotsman... Now where have I heard that name before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 I think we are getting a wee bit ahead of ourselves here. They haven't even decided if it is feasable yet and you are throwing names about! Probably true, but it does provide a bit of entertainment for us simple folk. I would love to be a fly on the wall when they get round to discussing the question of disc or spoked for the tender wheels. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBelcher Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Probably true, but it does provide a bit of entertainment for us simple folk. I would love to be a fly on the wall when they get round to discussing the question of disc or spoked for the tender wheels. Bernard Well, I like disc wheels, and I like spoked wheels too. But which is better? There's only one way to find out.....FIGHT!!!! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chameleon Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Well, what did the original locos tenders have? Or more simply, what do they have patterns for? (In fact DO they have patterns, or was the tender chassis on Tornado an original? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Im not sure if all this annoucement of building a P2 by the A1 trust rings of just them wanting to build a new locomotive.... I think theres more to it, especially given how the first engine and its organisation have faired so far. As for the name, dare I mention a suggestion of "Duke of Cumberland"? *Ducks for cover* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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