Wagon identification required

[PaulCheffus]

Hi

 

Can anyone tell me what diagram the white tank wagon is in the linked photo.

(David Hayes on Flickr)

 

I think it looks like E202 but I'm not 100% sure.

 

Cheers

 

Paul

Edited May 16, 2019 by PaulCheffus

[Davexoc]

Looks like it is E202, or E647 if it is only through vacuum piped. Same beast, but some modified at some point.

[doilum]

Please educate the ignorant/ curious

[PaulCheffus]

33 minutes ago, doilum said:

Please educate the ignorant/ curious

Hi 

 

I wanted to know what diagram it was so I can build a model of it for my Woodhead layout.

 

Cheers

 

Paul

[Mark Saunders]

The livery seems a bit schizophrenic as the tank is in compressed gas livery but the chassis is red as per class A flammable liquids.

 

My thoughts would be Arcton?

 

Mark Saunders 

[Enterprisingwestern]

 

I would concur with the comments on the Flickr site about it being the 8E67 bound for Whitemoor/Harwich, it seems to have the continental vans visible further back, which, along with the tank mentioned, would go across the North Sea on a train ferry. From memory, re-engined at Rotherwood and didn't go through Tinsley Yard.

 

Mike.

[doilum]

So this is a continental wagon. My late father told of a "German" tank wagon that made monthly visits to Hickson ,& Welch in Castleford in the late 1970s. This was probably the final rail traffic to the site.

[Enterprisingwestern]

10 minutes ago, doilum said:

So this is a continental wagon. My late father told of a "German" tank wagon that made monthly visits to Hickson ,& Welch in Castleford in the late 1970s. This was probably the final rail traffic to the site.

 

Depends on your interpretation of a continental wagon.

My understanding is that wagons in the "E" diagrams were British built, generally to continental, (ferry generally), standards for trans European travel, but there were "real" continental wagons built by foreign railway undertakings which ran in this country.

 

Mike.

[doilum]

Thanks. Sadly dad is no longer around to ask.

[hmrspaul]

5 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

Depends on your interpretation of a continental wagon.

My understanding is that wagons in the "E" diagrams were British built, generally to continental, (ferry generally), standards for trans European travel, but there were "real" continental wagons built by foreign railway undertakings which ran in this country.

 

Mike.

Mike

No there were hundreds of different diagrams and Britain built and/or registered very few of them. The German block is amazingly varied. - look at https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ferrywagons

 

E202/647 say they are air braked with through vac pipe.

 

Diagram books available on http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/Prototype.html

 

Paul

 

Edited May 17, 2019 by hmrspaul

[Fat Controller]

5 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

Depends on your interpretation of a continental wagon.

My understanding is that wagons in the "E" diagrams were British built, generally to continental, (ferry generally), standards for trans European travel, but there were "real" continental wagons built by foreign railway undertakings which ran in this country.

 

Mike.

The 'E' diagrams covered both UK and mainland-registered wagons. Have a look on here:-

http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/Book_01_Issue.pdf

and the other two books of internationally-registered wagons.

[Davexoc]

According to the book the wagons were German built/registered by VTG, Hamburg. Originally dual braked but later some became air braked and vacuum through piped. Hence the two different diagram numbers.